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Non binary. I think I get it.

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llamalines · 05/09/2024 18:41

I mean, not the self obsessed men pretending to be NB, but how identifying as NB could be attractive to teenage girls.

I was in a shop yesterday and spoke to a sales assistant who was stunningly beautiful.

She was dressed androgynously - short hair, no make up, male cut clothes. She looked like she was about 18 maybe.

She reminded me of myself when I was a teenager. I wasn't stunningly beautiful, but I used to get a fair bit of attention from sleezy older men on a regular basis and I HATED it.

I remembered how I used to wear baggy jeans and keep my hood up when out, to try to read "boy", to keep the sleezy men at bay. Which worked a bit. I didn't think I was a boy, but it felt like my armour.

I can well imagine teenage girls being sick of the male gaze, of unwanted attention and of boys' expectations driven by porn, and seeing being NB as a way to opt out of all that pressure. I can see my teen self finding a feeling of protection or solace in it, do you know what I mean?

Goodness these girls need access to some solid feminism!!

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Hadalifeonce · 05/09/2024 19:17

As a female, just calling yourself something else doesn't change the face that men still see you as female, wether you're wearing a bodycon dress and stilettos, or loose trousers and a baggy jumper, some men will still see you as prey.

partystress · 05/09/2024 19:11

I get it completely, and that would probably have been me too. It’s the assumption that if I just say I am a woman, I am buying into stereotypical femininity and/or a pornified version of what a woman is.

And the sad delusion that they can identify out of the shit that comes with being biologically female.

annejumps · 05/09/2024 19:05

I definitely get it. If I were twentymumble years younger I'd probably be doing it myself.
But I keep thinking about the multiple news stories I've read where a TIF was sexually harassed or assaulted by a cabdriver "even though I told him I'm a man."

StripeySuperNova · 05/09/2024 19:01

If you take men's pornified view of women and tell teenage girls that is what a woman is then it's not very surprising when a significant number of them say I'm obviously not a woman then. It's just a shame they can't say, that's not what a woman is.

Datun · 05/09/2024 18:56

Absolutely. Saying you are non-binary is a (v hopeful) way of opting out of being objectified.

It's an attempt to step out from the cohort who is objectified.

But from a feminist point of view, the cohort being objectified remains, so it's not very helpful.

But also, men don't give a shit how you identify yourself, it's all about how they identify you. So again, it doesn't change anything.

But yes, I'm sure it's a way of signalling you don't want to be objectified. Unfortunately, men don't care about that.

HumanbyDesign · 05/09/2024 18:50

I have an 11yr old DD and I too can see how it can appeal: from their perspective to identify as "female" as it is depicted on most mainstream media is to agree to conform to a certain image which mainly comprises of permanent full face make up, constantly changing perfectly styled hair and nails, and revealing and/or figure hugging clothes.... If I were her age I'd want to be NB too 🤷🏼‍♀️

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