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Which stories could change someone’s mind?

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BrightGreenLeaves · 05/09/2024 12:34

I’ve been thinking a lot recently about how I’m not going to hide my views anymore. I’ve already started this in my personal life but not yet at work.

If someone was opening to reading a bit more about the erosion of women’s rights and single sex spaces, what would be the one article or news story that you would share?

If it were me, I might share Sarah’s story about her experience at Sussex rape crisis. I think it would be quite hard for any compassionate person to argue that what happened to her was ok.

I’m on a charity Facebook group and someone share the pronouns are like rohypnol article. It didn’t work and they just got kicked out the group.

Are there any other articles that anyone thinks would be helpful? Something that someone could go away and read in their own time.

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Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 05/09/2024 14:18

K Dolatowski. 6ft 5 man (who ids as a woman) who has committed two crimes against children in 'women's' toilets. Was imprisoned for a short while for the second one.

Tends to shut up the 'but this never happens' line. Also, I doubt if those toilets were clearly labelled as mixed sex that a girl would have been allowed in there alone. But they weren't honestly labelled so the retailer was to blame for what happened too.

BrightGreenLeaves · 05/09/2024 14:11

That’s a hard read. But very compelling. And useful to have a link to an article that is about safeguarding children.

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StainlessSteelMouse · 05/09/2024 14:11

Sport is a good way in. Most Brits have a bedrock sense of fair play, and the visual of a hulking TW towering over much smaller female athletes has an immediate impact.

StainlessSteelMouse · 05/09/2024 14:11

Sport is a good way in. Most Brits have a bedrock sense of fair play, and the visual of a hulking TW towering over much smaller female athletes has an immediate impact.

TheseThings · 05/09/2024 14:11

This is one of the best things I've read on the subject :
https://www.philosophersmag.com/essays/321-the-transgender-rights-issue

It's a longer read than some people may be willing to do but quickly gets into it.
A friend who was "live and let live" actually changed their stance after reading it, and once my handful of Believer friends bring up the subject I will send it to them and ask them to counter it (or at least try!).

The Transgender-Rights Issue - The Philosophers' Magazine

Gary L. Francione on transgender-rights, equality claims, belief claims, and liberal pluralism.

https://www.philosophersmag.com/essays/321-the-transgender-rights-issue

Meadowwild · 05/09/2024 14:03

Notahandmaid · 05/09/2024 13:56

I think that, sadly, some people who are committed to gender ideology won't let anything change their mind. I shared some information with an acquaintance on Facebook recently and she declared anyone that I quoted (Sharron Davies, Emma Hilton etc) to be "hateful". I am hoping though that some of what I shared with her will have got through, even if she doesn't want to admit it just yet - or I might be being overly optimistic.

We thought people would change their mind when it came to sports but then lots of people were vigorously defending the rights of two men to punch women in the face at the Olympics.

We thought people would change their mind when it came to rape crisis centres.

We thought people would change their minds when it came to vulnerable women in prison.

The stories of Ritchie Herron and Keira Bell are pretty horrific so it might be worth sharing them but then those defending gender ideology could dismiss them as one offs or that they weren't 'true trans'.

Ooh but by admitting there is such a category as not 'true trans' a 'true trans' would then have to concede that some manipulative opportunistic men might use the guise of self-ID to gain access to women's spaces to either get predatory kicks or, y'know, win medals!

BrightGreenLeaves · 05/09/2024 13:58

i know it’s so hard, isn’t it. But then I think that I changed my mind so surely there must be others!

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Notahandmaid · 05/09/2024 13:56

I think that, sadly, some people who are committed to gender ideology won't let anything change their mind. I shared some information with an acquaintance on Facebook recently and she declared anyone that I quoted (Sharron Davies, Emma Hilton etc) to be "hateful". I am hoping though that some of what I shared with her will have got through, even if she doesn't want to admit it just yet - or I might be being overly optimistic.

We thought people would change their mind when it came to sports but then lots of people were vigorously defending the rights of two men to punch women in the face at the Olympics.

We thought people would change their mind when it came to rape crisis centres.

We thought people would change their minds when it came to vulnerable women in prison.

The stories of Ritchie Herron and Keira Bell are pretty horrific so it might be worth sharing them but then those defending gender ideology could dismiss them as one offs or that they weren't 'true trans'.

BrightGreenLeaves · 05/09/2024 13:35

Yes, I avoid saying mainstream media. Because the only people I know who have historically said that are actual conspiracy theorists who think that Bill Gates was linked to Covid.

The charity Facebook group was for people who work in the charity sector.

i think book group could work maybe? I’m interested in trying to talk to people who just haven’t thought that deeply about this. Rather than people who are trans rights activists and so would be less easily persuadable.

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Lovelyview · 05/09/2024 13:13

I'm not sure I'd start with a large Facebook group. Is the charity to do with rape crisis? (You mentioned Sarah's case in Brighton). So far I have only discussed this with my husband and daughter in real life. I have learned the words 'main stream media' are a right wing conspiracy theory dog whistle (according to my husband) and if you misgender Caster Semenya while trying to discuss male athletic advantage your daughter will tell you off. So, I have no advice. My husband is broadly supportive but worries I'm becoming right wing (because I said I was disillusioned with main stream media coverage of the issue). I was thinking of getting my book group to discuss it but haven't got round to it yet.

BrightGreenLeaves · 05/09/2024 12:34

I’ve also name changed, as I do periodically.

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