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European Society of Cardiology thinks preventing strokes in women is too complicated

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 04/09/2024 19:20

Atrial fibrillation causes a greater increase in stroke.risk in women than it does in men, so the scoring tool to assess risk adds a point for female sex.

Or it did.

The ESC has removed that question because: "the inclusion of gender [sic] complicates clinical practice both for healthcare professionals and patients" and "it also omits individuals who identify as non-binary, transgender, or are undergoing sex hormone therapy".

https://x.com/AudreySuffolk/status/1831279559930433813?

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StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 04/09/2024 20:37

EmeraldRoulette · 04/09/2024 20:32

Wait, was she offered any treatment for it? My mum got sent to a specialist at 70.

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One of my aunts moved to part-time in advance of her retirement so that she can provide reliable childcare for her grandchild and reduce childcare costs for her DS.

I should think so many people of a certain age are in a comparable condition.

And maybe it's a failure of imagination, but I just can't imagine this being said to a man.

IwantToRetire · 04/09/2024 20:37

ErrolTheDragon · 04/09/2024 20:21

Yes...there may be some sort of priority based on age but that seems harsh?

I think it goes on all the time, but usually you aren't told to your face by a consultant that they have an age cut off. (From memory there might have been a reference to something like it wasn't as though she was a working father or some such!)

But a while ago, and is probably still going on, some NHS trusts thought a good way of saving money, was to cut back on cataract operations (as they were mainly old / retired patients) not taking into account that untreated cataracts can lead to total visual impairments so that in fact these pensioners would become more dependent on the state! (Also stupid as they are relatively cheap operations to perform.)

Not forgetting all the patients of a certain age and over who were sent DNR forms duing Covid by their local surgery!

Apolgies, for thread derail.

EmeraldRoulette · 04/09/2024 20:32

IwantToRetire · 04/09/2024 19:50

Atrial fibrillation causes a greater increase in stroke.risk in women than it does in men, so the scoring tool to assess risk adds a point for female sex.

That's interesting. A friend who was referred to a specialist in this area was rejected by the lead consultant as she was past working age, ie as she was not contributing to the country's economy she didn't even make it onto the waiting list.

(Just to add this was NHS England.)

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Wait, was she offered any treatment for it? My mum got sent to a specialist at 70.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/09/2024 20:21

Yes...there may be some sort of priority based on age but that seems harsh?

IwantToRetire · 04/09/2024 20:10

ErrolTheDragon · 04/09/2024 19:58

What?ConfusedShock

Is that to my comment?

ErrolTheDragon · 04/09/2024 19:58

What?ConfusedShock

IwantToRetire · 04/09/2024 19:50

Atrial fibrillation causes a greater increase in stroke.risk in women than it does in men, so the scoring tool to assess risk adds a point for female sex.

That's interesting. A friend who was referred to a specialist in this area was rejected by the lead consultant as she was past working age, ie as she was not contributing to the country's economy she didn't even make it onto the waiting list.

(Just to add this was NHS England.)

ErrolTheDragon · 04/09/2024 19:41

Ffs. Hopefully some grownups will show up and include sex in their criteria, as it's relevant. 'Gender' certainly sounds like an unhelpful and unnecessary complication.

If hormone therapy affects the risk (whether it's males taking female hormones, females taking T or women on HRT then those should be specific questions.

Helleofabore · 04/09/2024 19:41

Another one.

lcakethereforeIam · 04/09/2024 19:33

Glad that GI isn't detrimental to women Hmm

TWETMIRF · 04/09/2024 19:30

FFS, don't they realise that women only exist to look after men and therefore it's important to make sure that we're not out of action from a stroke?

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 04/09/2024 19:24

The option of adding a question for 'Undergoing sex hormone therapy?' and telling everyone else their feelings don't affect their stroke.risk apparently didn't occur to them.

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