Why do men hate us so much?

If one group is advantaged and know that in their advantage, another group is disadvantaged, rather than acknowledging this is not fair (and fairness is important to all animals, check out the Ted talk on monkeys reacting to unfairness), they will come up with all kinds of 'reasons' to explain and justify it. Literally all western culture, and quite a few from other parts of the world, are founded on explaining/excusing/justifying this. But similar dynamics in any unfair treatment of a group but another.

I don't think women control it exactly - I mean any more than men do. I can't just decide to have sex with any man that I want to, any more than any man can do so with me. It's more that those men think they should have the right to have sex with anyone they want, however unrealistic.

For example I wouldn't think I could sleep with a 20 years younger rock star. But a certain kind of man would be raging that a glamorous famous women or even unfamous woman wasn't interested in them. Even incels could probably find someone to sleep with if they were more realistic, but they all think they should be able to sleep with Taylor Swift, and hate her because they can't.

When I was in my 20s, a number of the guys in the office in their late 50s thought I would fancy them. It was just ridiculous. And they got quite angry with me for not being interested. Twats.

I was asking myself this the other day when I read that horrific story about the man in France who is being tried with 50 other men whom he invited to have sex with his wife who he had drugged. They were men of all ages from all walks of life. The brutality is just utterly unfathomable.

Yes I agree, this is the root of it. Men since the dawn of time have been suspicious of the power women have over the creation of life. This is why the idea of witches took hold. Women obviously had some magical power that men didnt, so who knows what other powers they were hiding. Its simple fear of the unknown. We might now know the biological processes and how they work but the fear is deeply ingrained.

And when you give almost anyone absolute power over someone else, they will abuse it.

I think it's important for us to remember that it was not always thus, and not everywhere. I believe the subjugation of women is a relatively recent phenomenon in the 200,000-300,000 years of human history.

I also agree with a pp that it isn't just about physical power, or because they can. That is the ultimate method of enforcement, but it's not the reason for the violence. Nobody beats up the king, however small and weak. A powerful person in a tribe is a clever person who is good at manipulating others, or good at forming relationships an alliances. The perso who mysteriously knows stuff that other people don't - like where to find water, how to make fire, etc, etc. That person may not be particularly powerful physically and may be male or female. I give womb envy a vote.

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Some (many?) feel that might is right…the powerful rule over the weak. That they are inherently superior because of this. And by weak, I mean physically. Women are by and large at the mercy of men not abusing their power.

Great post.
I am an atheist, but I think it's important to emphasise that religion, especially established religion, arises from or is influenced by the pre-existing culture. The Abrahamic religions as practised are misogynistic because the middle eastern culture they all arose in is misogynistic. Jesus did honour women, but the compilers of the new testament edited out the gospels written by women and later prominent male Christians added their own glosses to his teachings. There's so much in the Bible that you can use it to justify anything (slavery, for example) if you take it out of context.
And just as another example, this time from Islam - Mohammed said a man could have more than one wife if he could treat them both the same - but only Allah was capable of that. The patriarchal males, in a polygamous society only paid attention to the "a man can have more than one wife" bit and ignored Mohammed's actual meaning which was - polygamy is not allowed.

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I don't believe it - so I've just ordered the book from Amazon. £2.99 for the kindle version.

Honestly, I think it's the availability of sex. Men want it, and women control it.

Most of your list is a direct result of men wanting sex and not getting it... incels, rape, trafficking, domestic violence, sex workers, (you forgot porn!)... that list is effectively them horridly venting their anger.

I think hatred is often borne from lack of respect. They don’t respect us and resent the fact that these days, we demand it. Many of the examples you’ve described are different ways of ‘putting women in their place.’

Some men are angry because in most of the world we're emerging from millennia of being chattel and they're pissed off they can't 'own' us anymore so keep trying to find ways of telling us that we should let ourselves be chattel again.

The Female Eunuch is also informative (and a shocking new perspective in its time, of course).

Of course, men wrote and interpreted the holy texts.

This seems like an unmined seam for psychological research. We all know incels - stereotypically - resent not getting sex from women. But what's with transwomen envying us our uteruses?

It was the men of those religions twisting a lot of it for their purposes.

I disagree that the Christian Faith is to blame at all, but I do think that Christian and also Jewish men, especially some of the relgious leaders, are culpable by their ignoring the verse in the OT that says that human beings , male and FEMALE , are created by God in His image. I think it's the Sin of Pride, or inflated ego, that runs through nearly all men like the name of a seaside town through a stick of rock, that has caused it, because a true Christian man would remeber this, see women as made in the image of God and be prepared to lay down his life for his wife like Christ did for the Church.
Furthermore, I can't think of one thing that Jesus said nor did that I could consider remotely sexist against us, never mind misogynistic. St. Paul's writings seem sexist but he was a Jewish scholar and Judaism is overtly sexist still to this day, plus his writings are open to being twisted. Too many men who deem themselves Christian love to use his writings to back up their domineering women, and forget that they are supposed to humbly and selflessly SERVE us, just like Christ serves the Church, to the point of being willing to die for their wives! Too many of them ignore that part- they don't like it at all but tough, Christ is NOT sexist and they are supposed to strive to emulate him. As for Mary the Mother of God, they use her as a way to put us down but that's not her fault at all and I would suspect there's some envy at the root of it, because she is the most elevated created being of all. In the Christian Faith, at least in the Catholic and Orthodox denominations, the created human person nearest to God Himself is a woman.
To summarise, blame the failure of Christian men, not the Christian Faith and certainly not Christ- Jesus isn't sexist!

It all comes down to basic instinct and I don't even believe they can put their own feelings into words if they were asked to but my guess is that their hate comes from their sexual desires and the fact that they depend on women to satisfy their sexual needs which in theory puts women in charge.

For the unbelievers … read “Men who hate women” by Laura Bates and you will see that, in fact, men hate women.

the average bloke on the street is not a wife beater, has never raped anyone

No, he's lower than average, not even mediocre, that's why he feels the need to beat and rape.

I don't think it's a conscious thing as hate. I don't think they think about us much as all which is why there is a staggering lack of awareness or empathy.

I think there is a societal, low level resentment perhaps that appears when feminism is brought up or as a defensive mechanism when make violence is mentioned.

Ultimately, boiled down, men want us and resent that we don't want them. Their entire mindset is based around sex, they don't understand that women aren't fixated in the same way or they think we are, so must be withholding it to be mean/manipulative. They think they are great (as society tells them they are) and don't understand why we can't see it too or worse are wary or have boundaries. Why can we just look pretty and laugh at their hilarious jokes before a no strings shag!?

This, with knobs.

This is it. The more you read about the foundations of civilization and the move from basic animals to more complex societies, the more you understand that men hate the fact that women create life and no man can do that.

Hence the current obsession with surrogacy and IVF etc - trying to break the link between women and life creation. They even tried to remove the word mother from the Irish constitution this year - and got a 75% rejection.

If it was a small percentage of men, why are we living in a patriarchy? Why do the majority of men watch degrading porn?

Why are a quarter of women in the UK going to be subject to abuse in their lifetime? Why is sexual assault and rape so high (we don't know the actual figures because it's rarely reported) and prosecution so low?

If the majority of men believe in equality and respect, why are the majority of mothers working and doing most of the childcare and drudge work?

Why are stereotypically female professions so badly paid? Why aren't women working in the media instead of being objectified by it? Why is there only a tiny percentage of women in powerful positions where they can exert influence?

Not all men but enough men.