Why do men hate us so much?

Well. Men are humans made in the image of god Women were put together from a spare rib to keep the human company. Support subhumans.

I quizzed my DH about why men don't police other men behaving crappily.
He claimed that men don't see 'men' as a group. They are just other people and nothing to do with him.
I do think my DH sees women as just other people. But if lots of men think the same as him about men but see us as secondary then we just fade into the background.

And Mr Menno 🙂

Misogyny is the cause of religion - not the other way round. Theism developed as a way of explaining that the world was really created by men, not women. All religions are built around dominating and controlling reproduction, property and populations. But it's not something inherent to spiritual faith -we all know plenty of non-God belief systems and institutions that are equally misogynist. Remember that when they did the research they found Catholic priests commit abuse at the same rate as the general population. Religion is a smokescreen. (And religious structures have often been useful as sources of autonomy and refuge for women as well - the atheists haven't come up with the equivalents of the nunnery or WI yet.)

Men hate women because they can - they are bigger and stronger than us. And because we give birth that renders us doubly vulnerable and dependent.

Just like empires were built by those who had better weapons, male dominance has been enabled by male superior physical strength. "All wars are battles of competing technology" as Margaret Atwood wrote. Women do not have the (biological) technology to dominate. This is why any properly feminist society depends on heavy regulation, sanctions and incentives for men to stop hating women. They won't do it on their own. 'Anti-carceral feminist' is a contradiction in terms.

I agree with another poster who said that it related to male strength in the past. This continues today with the legal battle re warehouse workers and shop assistants. It is also why I believe that there is so much misogyny in socialism - many socialist men believe that their jobs take priority over those of women. I'm no Tory but I've observed family members with these views.
I read a theory years ago that men could never be sure that their children were actually theirs and that is why women had to be kept in line from a young age e.g. to be a nice, feminine, sweet girl - no promiscuity etc. Obviously that doesn't apply now.
Feminism has really enraged men imho.

I agree with the poster who talked about the Abrahmic religions. Obviously the religions are a symptom, condensing a wider culture into simpler rules.
But the OT with Eve being made by the rib of Adam, and later the concept of original sin, shows this obsession with women needing to be subservient to men. And I agree it has to do with sex and the fact that women make life and used to be the only one of your parents you could guarantee was your parent.

There are lovely examples of more egalitarian societies.
Most of western societies, for all their movements towards granting women more rights on equal footing with men, are steeped in religious nonsense regulating women’s sexuality.

Good post.

It's confusing because sometimes the message is that men need understanding when they make mistakes/behave badly because of how powerful the male sex drive and testosterone are. I can understand that
But then it's also not fair to suggest that those things can at times be destructive/harmful even though they might have been used to explain harmful behaviour 5 seconds previously.

This makes it really hard to discuss issues at all. If you are happy to walk home alone or do riskier activities you have clearly been brainwashed by feminism and films into thinking you are as strong as a man etc. If you don't, it's proof you don't trust men and that's hurtful etc.

Because they can.

I believe it was st Augustine who invented the "enjoy sex in your twenties, become trad catch in your thirties" pathway.

I think definitely the influence of manicheism (think I spelt that right) etc, on early Christianity helped foster a discomfort with sex, bodily urges etc that clashed with other Christian teaching along the lines of "go forth and multiply" and the importance of mothers
It's led to some very confused thinking.

But Christianity also teaches about responsibility, against just abandoning mothers/women etc,. It would have been an improvement on past times when you could just sell your children into slavery. And jesus had women around him. So it's kind of nuanced.

Agree with 99% of what everyone has said - I also think add the tendency for men to externalise their problems (and women the opposite) to the mix and you have a melting pot of misogyny ingredients.

Yes NAMALT but rare is the man that truly sees women as his equal.

A penis has the power to pound into a woman's orifices. Women can't do that to a man unless they use implements.

The sex act itself is a show of power by men over women. Very difficult to get away from them if they pin you down and force their penis into you.

I am heterosexual and enjoy sex just as much as anyone does, but it sometimes strikes me that a lot of power can lie in the prick. And they know it, so it's their way of counterbalancing the power they believe women have in procreation.

I need a cup of tea now, the above was a bit of a stream of consciousness!

Fully agree with this. Our hormones drive us and the testosterone drives men to crave power and sex. I don't think we truly realise how sex driven men are and when they don't get it (not even sex but admiration/validation) and feel entitled to it they hate us.

I need to speak up for James Dreyfus here.

Yes all those women supporting gay men during the AIDs crisis. Dont see that the other way round - quite the opposite.

Yes, it really should be called Violence By Men. Then - how to deal with the men that are being so violent. What are the commonalities, what are the useful ways to work with these men to make them less violent.

I used to read Gay men's magazines and found them to be shockingly misogynistic. Obviously not all gay men are misogynist but what's sad is that feminism has traditionally supported gay rights yet we've never had that support back. This has been particularly poignant with the attack on lesbians and their erasure due to Trans ideology.

The Latin Fathers in particular but most Christian scholars openly despised and reviled women. Luther was famous for saying women were either wives or prostitutes.

Nah. Men just hate women for being women. Some women hate men because of what men have done to them or general violence against women. Not the same.

Most early Christian scholars seem to have had no interest in sex with women and also to dislike them (see St. Paul). Interestingly, one finds that gay men are often deeply misogynistic, calling us breeders and saying heterosexual sex is just about making babies. Truly, I have come across this with gay men, ones who would consider me a friend, too!

The Masons are a thing because men don’t share any significant collective powers such as having children.

Hence why the Masons exist …

Also, men are incapable of the multiple orgasm 🧚‍♀️

It's exactly this. Whenever you're dependent on someone else, resentment starts to build. Men and women each have power and control over the other, only it manifests in different ways.

Men are pretty much led by their sexual desires. Obviously namalt, but in the whole sexual drive is the strongest human force. The most powerful of men have been brought down because of a 5 minute dip of their wick. And they did so because the drive is incessant and extremely powerful.

When one needs the other, especially if they don't get their needs met as and when they would like, anger builds.

This is also the reason so many women hate men. One only has to spend 5 minutes on mumsnet to find many examples of unbridled hate and resentment.

That is because men have more physical power, and in a way women feel controlled (or their freedom threatened) by men. Additionally men often have more financial power, and women resent being dependent on men for that.

Overall, in a well balanced society (macro level) or relationship (micro level), where each gender gets their needs met while providing the other's needs, there's love. Anger and hate starts to foment when one side feels - rightly or wrongly - that they're holding up their side of the bargain, but the other party is misusing their power over them.

I missed off the middle bit of my post, somehow.
I meant to add that the hate may have had its roots in resentment/envy, but first of all women's power/authority/mystique/humanity had to be denigrated to enable and justify the violence. Otherwise it would have been sacrilege.

I suppose historically women were "service humans" for men due to lesser physical strength and the distraction of mothering. When women wanted more/equality men became angry and affronted because it meant women taking a share of what men saw as rightfully theirs (and to add insult to injury, reducing their service role to men). And so it continues...

NAMALT but many men (and women) who say they are feminists and don't actually hate women, still consider women in some way to be inferior humans, even if that's just subconsciously. For example the men who assume the children will have their surname, just because they are the man. But suggest a man might choose to take his wife's surname, he is horrified. Apparently it's fine for a woman to be defined as "wife of man" but for a man to be defined as "husband of woman" is beyond the pale.

It's not really about sex. It's about male entitlement to women's bodies. Women became chattel traded like objects, spoils of war. Women and girls were given in marriage to appease rivals and ensure peace. Tribes would raid villages to steal women because polygamous marriages meant there weren't enough women to go around.

Even now girls and women are sold to men or traded. Women's sexuality is controlled through so called honour based abuse or genital mutilation. Sexuality in women is seen as shameful.

It's all about control of possessions.