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murasaki · 01/09/2024 22:56

He was right on the pronouns but wrong on every single thing he has done since, so according to the law has got what he deserves. He and his family are 'odd' to put it mildly. And he wasn't coming at the pronouns issue from the right stances just a really weird one. Sometimes your enemy's enemy is not your friend and this is one of those times.

MarieDeGournay · 01/09/2024 22:53

mirrensidhe · 01/09/2024 22:45

@MarieDeGournay don't be so naive, none of this would exist but for the insistence by the school that he conforms to an ideological belief or else loses his job.

He has the choice how to react to his perfectly valid dispute with his employer, he chooses immature disruptive attention-seeking.

It would be harmless eejitry were he not using up so much police and court time by repeatedly refusing to comply with court orders which are NOT asking him to change his ideological beliefs, they are just telling him to stop turning up at the school day after day after day after day after...

Pallisers · 01/09/2024 22:48

mirrensidhe · 01/09/2024 22:45

@MarieDeGournay don't be so naive, none of this would exist but for the insistence by the school that he conforms to an ideological belief or else loses his job.

Maybe have a google of the rest of the Burke family before you say "none of this would exist but for ... "

mirrensidhe · 01/09/2024 22:45

@MarieDeGournay don't be so naive, none of this would exist but for the insistence by the school that he conforms to an ideological belief or else loses his job.

peepsypops · 01/09/2024 20:44

On face value, every single one of his family members including himself have made utter fools of themselves and also made themselves unemployable. Shouting and screeching, having to be carried out of court etc. ambushing people on camera, making complete nuisances of themselves. Even if they had a point to make, this is not the way to do it and get credit for it. The amount of tinfoil hat twats supporting them on X/Twitter is crazy, when in reality if you saw any of those mad yokes coming near your workplace you would think "oh here we bloody go"
Again - all power to anyone to follow their beliefs but Jesus Christ - would you ever give it a bloody rest

MarieDeGournay · 01/09/2024 20:28

Bannedontherun · 01/09/2024 18:56

@DeanElderberry hiya, surely it is the Irish state at fault here, causing tax payers a cost by trying to force a member of the public to conform to an ideological belief?

is there ever an occasion when one can refuse to comply with a law?

Let’s go extreme here, how does totalitarianism ever get a hold? That would be very bad law.

But Bannedontherun that's not what the Irish state is doing. It is applying exactly the same law that the rest of us are subject to, i.e. not disrupting court cases by shouting the judge down, and not ignoring court orders.

Enoch Burke was not taken to court because he 'fails to conform to an ideological belief', he was taken to court because he refused to comply with a court order. The court order was not ordering him to conform to an ideological belief , it was a court order saying that he was banned from turning up at the school premises day after day after day....
He kept turning up day after day after day, which places him in contempt of court, not for his beliefs, but his failure to comply with a court order telling him NOT to keep turning up day after day after day.. And then his failure to purge his contempt, choosing instead to spend three months in prison, and then going back to turning up at the school day after day after day when released.

There is a roll-call of brave women like Allison Bailey, Maya Forstater and many others who have had grievances with their employers about transgender issues. They managed to make their points and with their cases without behaving outrageously in and out of court. They certainly didn't bring along their disruptive mammies and daddies and brothers and sisters to shout abuse at the judges.

Enoch Burke's obviously identifies as someone being pursued by The State for his ideological beliefs. The facts prove otherwise, it's more a case of The State being pursued by Enoch Burke looking for another photo-op.

Full marks to the Gardaí for doing their job professionally without taking the bait from Mr Burke Snr.

Bannedontherun · 01/09/2024 18:56

@DeanElderberry hiya, surely it is the Irish state at fault here, causing tax payers a cost by trying to force a member of the public to conform to an ideological belief?

is there ever an occasion when one can refuse to comply with a law?

Let’s go extreme here, how does totalitarianism ever get a hold? That would be very bad law.

DeanElderberry · 01/09/2024 18:45

It annoys me that my taxes are going to be paying his board and lodging yet again, but the State won't lock up men found guilty of assaulting women. He needs an ankle monitor and his and his family's (if he's still living in the parental home) property should be regarded as a deposit subject to forfeiture if he skips out.

I have sympathy with his initial position wrt being expected to prop up gender theory, none at all with his and his family's disrespect for the rule of law.

Bannedontherun · 01/09/2024 18:38

Happy to stand corrected but from what I can gather he is an evangelical Christian who refused to refer to a child as a they/them, and got the sack.

Me thinks he would have better made his point by challenging this through the courts under the Irish/EU Equalities Act for having a belief that should be protected.

However he has gone down the civil disobedience route instead, and garnered publicity for this stand of against the State.

Not a hil i would die on but good for him.

MarieDeGournay · 01/09/2024 16:56

Well done to the Gardaí for their quiet professionalism in the face of such nonsense from Mr Burke.

The idea that his son Enoch has an 'unblemished record' is ridiculous - Enoch Burke has been found to be in contempt of court orders time and time and time again - NOT due to his refusal to use a student's preferred pronouns/names, which I sympathise with him about, but due to the fact that he keeps turning up day after day at the school despite a court order for him to remain away until the disciplinary process of over.

His behaviour, and that of his family [parents + 10 children, all old enough to have learnt how to behave in places like courts of law] during court cases has been atrocious, including disrupting the procedure by shouting down the judge and having to be carried from the courtroom so the judge could continue speaking.
No wonder the Gardaí prudently sent four officers along - given how they behave in public in a court of law, who knows what could kick off at the Burke's own property. Yet another example of how the Burke's behaviour has tied up so much police and court time.

The repeated court cases are NOT about transgenderism, they are about his repeated breaches of court orders to stay away from the school. Enoch Burke has been given umpteen opportunities to purge his contempt of court, but he chooses to spend months in prison. It obviously suits his preferred persona..

The Burkes happen to disagree with trans ideology as many of us on here do; but placed alongside their 'we're above the law' publicity-seeking, that doesn't count for much.

yesmen · 01/09/2024 16:35

I cannot believe what Ijust saw. I had to look up the story.

What moral courage that family have.

Disgraceful use of police time.