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First transgender manager ignites row by signing biologically male goalkeeper for women’s team

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PoppySeedBagelRedux · 01/09/2024 08:00

Article in the Telegraph:
www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/08/31/transgender-manager-signs-biological-male-keeper-women-team/

And protests from sex realists on Twitter. These men are making their dislike of women really clear now, aren't they?

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Lovelyview · 11/09/2024 09:43

I know all aspects of gender Ideology are upsetting but I find men in women's sport especially infuriating. It is so obviously shouldn't be happening. It just means tightening up a few regulations and saying no to a small number of men. Yet some governing bodies consistently refuse to tackle it.

Snowypeaks · 11/09/2024 09:38

Do you have any idea why your post was deleted, Puffyisgood?

Snowypeaks · 11/09/2024 09:36

Puffy

Your comment has disappeared but in answer to your question - no, Hamilton won't be training the new keepers, one of the coaches will. But BH is the first-choice GK so the other two will only get to play if BH is injured. Or if BH hits a bad run of form. But given BH's male physical advantages, BH wouldn't have to be on top form to be effective.

puffyisgood · 11/09/2024 09:23

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TheCadoganArms · 11/09/2024 09:05

Helleofabore · 11/09/2024 08:11

Apparently in age groups within the indoor rowing competiton, there are now male athletes coming through and breaking the records in the female indoor rowing competition that were set by male competitors.

So, firstly a male competitor comes through and sets records that are high unlikely to ever be broken by female competitors. Then an even better male competitor comes through and breaks that new record.

In the meantime, the first male competitor in that age group of the female indoor rowing competition ages into the next age category and repeats the process.

x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1833464494711877720?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

Where one male athlete goes, another will eventually follow unless that sport excludes them. So it goes without saying that it is likely that Sutton will have more male footballers joining the female team.

Saw that last night. As it is my sport it is even more infuriating. World Rowing are a different governing body to British Rowing. The latter, after much stalling finally listened to their members and had a vote on the issue of transwomen competing with biological women. Their previous policy was in line with World Rowings suppressed testosterone stance which has been proven to be absolute bollocks insofar as mitigating against male advantage. The British Rowing vote results were overwhelmingly in favour of banning transwomen from women's competition and the policy was duely amended against Wirld Rowings wishes. The usual twats on Twitter/X were frothing but the right result prevailed although many people were still pissed off that it took them so long to listen and act in the face of overwhelming evidence against their original position. Rowing is one of those sports where raw power and stamina will always trump a technically more proficient athlete. It was always going to expose the lunacy of letting men compete against women.

RainWithSunnySpells · 11/09/2024 09:03

The cartoon under the Graun article caused me to LOL.

I'm not sure they thought about having a cartoon about begging for money supporting the Graun to stick it to the man would come across when directly following an article about a postponed game of womens football (because of safety fears due to one team having a transwoman - so a male - goalkeeper). The whole thing is a piss take I think, I mean 'fearless jounalism' is stretching it a bit too!😆

First transgender manager ignites row by signing biologically male goalkeeper for women’s team
Helleofabore · 11/09/2024 08:11

Apparently in age groups within the indoor rowing competiton, there are now male athletes coming through and breaking the records in the female indoor rowing competition that were set by male competitors.

So, firstly a male competitor comes through and sets records that are high unlikely to ever be broken by female competitors. Then an even better male competitor comes through and breaks that new record.

In the meantime, the first male competitor in that age group of the female indoor rowing competition ages into the next age category and repeats the process.

x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1833464494711877720?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

Where one male athlete goes, another will eventually follow unless that sport excludes them. So it goes without saying that it is likely that Sutton will have more male footballers joining the female team.

Snowypeaks · 11/09/2024 07:26

puffyisgood · 11/09/2024 07:00

Squads usually have three GKs goalkeepers, and only BH is listed so they are probably just trying to recruit back-up keepers.

Clark's picture is on the first page of the women's squad. Never see that usually - it's usually a picture of team members. Trolling or arrogance.

All-male coaching team, depressing but standard for women's football, especially at non-elite level. But the photos one after the other really show they're all blokes.

ShoopShoopShoopShoop · 11/09/2024 07:04

Just wait until he has to save goals against another man pretending to be a woman... then the complaining will begin about how unfair it is, and then there's going to be interesting "but ...but ... But..." Conversation

Won't be surprised if all male teams are entered for women's events soon.

WickedSerious · 05/09/2024 08:06

Theeyeballsinthesky · 04/09/2024 21:46

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/sep/04/sutton-postponed-game-because-of-safety-fears-in-transgender-row

mealy mouthed statement from
sutton United

“We understand the sensitivity surrounding the issue of trans women in sports, and the club have followed all Football Association protocols and have confirmed that the player’s involvement is fully compliant with all legal and regulatory guidelines”

all of which they can say because the FA are captured cowardly fuckwits. I note all but one of the directors are male https://www.suttonunited.net/about/governance/

Edited

Ah yes,the incorruptible bastion of fairness that is the FA.

kiterunning · 05/09/2024 07:16

SinnerBoy · 05/09/2024 06:42

I am full of respect for the women of the Sutton Women's team.

I am full of contempt for the men of Sutton Women's team.

This

SinnerBoy · 05/09/2024 06:42

I am full of respect for the women of the Sutton Women's team.

I am full of contempt for the men of Sutton Women's team.

Snowypeaks · 04/09/2024 21:57

Theeyeballsinthesky · 04/09/2024 21:46

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/sep/04/sutton-postponed-game-because-of-safety-fears-in-transgender-row

mealy mouthed statement from
sutton United

“We understand the sensitivity surrounding the issue of trans women in sports, and the club have followed all Football Association protocols and have confirmed that the player’s involvement is fully compliant with all legal and regulatory guidelines”

all of which they can say because the FA are captured cowardly fuckwits. I note all but one of the directors are male https://www.suttonunited.net/about/governance/

Edited

They are such knobheads. Protocols and guidelines, indeed - as if that was the issue.
He's a man!

Theeyeballsinthesky · 04/09/2024 21:46

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/sep/04/sutton-postponed-game-because-of-safety-fears-in-transgender-row

mealy mouthed statement from
sutton United

“We understand the sensitivity surrounding the issue of trans women in sports, and the club have followed all Football Association protocols and have confirmed that the player’s involvement is fully compliant with all legal and regulatory guidelines”

all of which they can say because the FA are captured cowardly fuckwits. I note all but one of the directors are male https://www.suttonunited.net/about/governance/

Sutton postponed game because of ‘safety fears’ in transgender row

Club defend signing of Scottish goalkeeper Blair Hamilton and give ‘full support’ to their transgender manager Lucy Clark over postponed game

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/sep/04/sutton-postponed-game-because-of-safety-fears-in-transgender-row

Helleofabore · 03/09/2024 09:07

So rather than taking the time that Clark had to train up female talent or make another female ‘loan’, Clark allowed Clark’s political agenda to shine.

This is what has happened whenever a male person becomes a Women’s Officer as an example. It means that female people’s rights and needs becoming a secondary consideration. Sutton U FC should be ashamed.

Although, I just realised which team this is. This is the team that I suspected of having a male player in one of the female children’s teams. It was before I knew what was happening.

highame · 03/09/2024 08:30

A team solely made up of men! Can't see that catching on 🤔

😂

AlecTrevelyan006 · 03/09/2024 06:48

The average height of goalkeepers in the 2022 men’s World Cup was 6ft 2in.

The average height of goalkeepers in the 2023 women’s World Cup was 5ft 8in.

just sayin…

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2024 00:35

puffyisgood · 01/09/2024 21:23

sounds promising in theory but there must be a risk that Ms Clark will double down, replacing non-handmaiden squad members with more men.

Ms Clark is the one who sits in police cars with signs and bitches about JKR right?

I think Ms Clark should carry on managing as they see fit and showing who they are and how much they respect women.

ThreeWordHarpy · 02/09/2024 22:25

Truthlikeness · 01/09/2024 19:58

Having a biological male as a goalkeeper is particularly dangerous in my opinion. They run directly at the other players and use their fists at head height in a way other positions can't.

There is also a lot of press about the risks of brain damage from heading the ball. Women are particularly vulnerable because of our weaker necks and skulls. Now imagine the force of the kick of a male goalie and the poor midfielder who is expected to head that. Heading the ball is no joke - even from a weaker female kick. I often used to 'blink out' for a moment - this the best way I can describe it. I have to live with the risk of suffering dementia or depression, caused by damage I did my brain because male coaches forced us to head the ball because 'it's not dangerous'.

Any male player v female player is going to be dangerous if both are committing. I've seen a fair amount of nasty injuries while watching my (EFL) team and I'd hate to see the result if one of the parties was a woman. But I do take your point about keepers, last season an opposition keeper took out our striker jumping up with hands/arms out at head height and landed on our guy as they both fell - he was out for weeks with concussion/collarbone/shoulder injury.

(Add insult to injury the ref gave a foul AGAINST our guy as he was stretchered off.)

Igmum · 02/09/2024 21:47

Oh FFS. It's a less glitzy version of Ru Paul's drag race.

Truthlikeness · 02/09/2024 21:25

I doubt very much all the players from Hastings FC were happy about it, but the fear of saying anything is very real

quantumbutterfly · 02/09/2024 16:27

Snowypeaks · 02/09/2024 16:26

Not quite "meh" about Clark as the manager.
A male manager with no previous experience displaced a female manager who did have experience. It's one thing to draw on the huge pool of experienced male coaches in the absence of, or in preference to the tiny pool of talented but mostly inexperienced women coaches, quite another to make an appointment which has the appearance of having been made because the male claimed a special identity.

And yeah - stay out of the women's changing room, Clark.

The women - Sutton United, all the women footballers in the team in their division, should take the FA to court. It's their policy which is enabling this. I'm impressed that Sutton Women are protesting, Hastings FC Women (team Blair Hamilton previously played for) were happy about it. And no wonder - their goal difference improved massively from the season BH arrived.

A Hastings women fan was banned from the ground for pointing out that the goalkeeper was male.

Fair point

Snowypeaks · 02/09/2024 16:26

Not quite "meh" about Clark as the manager.
A male manager with no previous experience displaced a female manager who did have experience. It's one thing to draw on the huge pool of experienced male coaches in the absence of, or in preference to the tiny pool of talented but mostly inexperienced women coaches, quite another to make an appointment which has the appearance of having been made because the male claimed a special identity.

And yeah - stay out of the women's changing room, Clark.

The women - Sutton United, all the women footballers in the team in their division, should take the FA to court. It's their policy which is enabling this. I'm impressed that Sutton Women are protesting, Hastings FC Women (team Blair Hamilton previously played for) were happy about it. And no wonder - their goal difference improved massively from the season BH arrived.

A Hastings women fan was banned from the ground for pointing out that the goalkeeper was male.

anyolddinosaur · 02/09/2024 08:31

Pleased the women have made their feelings clear. The other teams in the league were also apparently licking off about the risk of injury so if he recruits a entirely male team they may not get a match.

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