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Retiredfromthere · 30/08/2024 12:03

Caliga · 30/08/2024 01:57

It doesn’t say what the question is exactly, but if the census asks if someone identifies as LGTQI, that’s useful societal information. I’m not sure what the issue is here. Can you clarify?

You might want to ask how we can possibly get good quality information based on the census question you describe. There is an interesting comparison of the 2021 census question about gender identity here. https://www.sociology.ox.ac.uk/article/flawed-census-question-leads-to-inaccurate-data-on-gender-identity

Comparing Brighton and Hove (shown by several different objective metrics to have a particularly large trans population we see that this is 20th in terms of numbers of trans identified respondants compared to Newnham (no 1 on the list). The reason why Newnham is number 1 is because of the numbers there who struggled with the question. For example because of poorer English language skills. Its really hard to ask a question in such a way that people will know what you are asking.

If you Google there is a lot of celebration about the inclusion of this question. I thought that the Office of Statistics had to apologise for conclusions drawn from this data. You cannot really find that. Australia will hopefully be aware of the problems.

Flawed census question leads to inaccurate data on gender identity

30 April 2024

https://www.sociology.ox.ac.uk/article/flawed-census-question-leads-to-inaccurate-data-on-gender-identity

KielderWater · 30/08/2024 11:36

Caliga · 30/08/2024 11:24

@KielderWater

How would that be useful?

Health and associated future service planning - one reason off the top of my head.

What specific health needs does someone with a congenital reproductive disorder share with a heterosexual man who identifies as ‘queer’?

Caliga · 30/08/2024 11:24

@KielderWater

How would that be useful?

Health and associated future service planning - one reason off the top of my head.

KielderWater · 30/08/2024 09:28

Caliga · 30/08/2024 01:57

It doesn’t say what the question is exactly, but if the census asks if someone identifies as LGTQI, that’s useful societal information. I’m not sure what the issue is here. Can you clarify?

How would that be useful?

FeralWoman · 30/08/2024 06:02

The shouting was in the media yesterday. A very fast backflip by our PM.

Caliga · 30/08/2024 05:14

Thank you for that. Where was the shouting though? Who has been doing that? In the document you linked, the ABS was still in review phase.

TheSandgroper · 30/08/2024 03:21

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/research/2026-census-topic-review-phase-one-directions Under the Sex category - New topics being considered further.

After a mandated process of consultation, the ABS decided not to alter the question being asked from the 2021 census. They have other methods of data capture as well which they think manages to do the job.

However, after three days of shouting from all sorts, the PM announced on national radio this morning that he will be overriding the processes as set by law and telling the ABS what to do and that a question on QT etc must be included.

This to me is foolhardy because I don’t think he will continue this through to the following census and instruct the ABS to form a question about detransitioning. Indeed, I don’t think he wants to tell them to include a question on detransitioning this time either. I haven’t heard mention of it in the shouting. Therefore, the data captured will not be a true reflection of trends and service need.

And then there is the fact that a prime minister has just told a commissioner of an independent body how to do his job. He shouldn’t do that.

Australian Bureau of Statistics logo

2026 Census topic review: Phase one directions

Overview of phase one of the 2026 Census topic consultation and directions for phase two consultation.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/research/2026-census-topic-review-phase-one-directions

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Caliga · 30/08/2024 01:57

It doesn’t say what the question is exactly, but if the census asks if someone identifies as LGTQI, that’s useful societal information. I’m not sure what the issue is here. Can you clarify?