Children protesting at DfE

Sure, but if you want to practise as a lawyer does this show integrity? What legal services does an undergraduate have to offer?

I've seen quite a few parents stuck in this situation. Constantly appeasing their child in the short term which usually results (in my experience) in longer term harm and no resolution. The parents I see who manage to maintain boundaries and do what is in the long-term best interests of the child (preparing them for an independent life where everyone won't immediately do exactly what they want) rather than give in to unreasonable / unsafe demands have had much better outcomes. And usually gain more respect from their children in the long run.

However, I do feel desperately sorry for these parents. They love their children so much and are so scared. I'd like to think I'd do the right thing, but I don't know if I would, it would be very difficult, especially with the apparatus of health and social care so filled with people completely brainwashed into gender ideology and supporting risky, unhealthy behaviour.

'lawyer' is not a protected term, unlike 'solicitor' or 'barrister', so anyone can call themselves a lawyer.

Similarly 'legal services'. If you check the rules on entity names on the Companies House website, to use 'Further Education" or "Higher Education" in a name, you have to provide a letter or email of non-objection from the relevant body. No rule at all about "Legal" or "Legal Services"

Yes, if Jimmy Savile were still alive he'd be first in line.

The children, fine, they're kids, they're clueless, but adults asking random adults to go and 'watch' them. They're either a) deliberately trying to encourage harm to these children or b) so stupid that they need to have nothing to do with children in any way shape or form as present a real safeguarding risk.

Who is most likely to enthusiastically want to do this? What type of adult? Basic common bloody sense. I hope the police are aware.

Nothing says “ligger” like founding a “legal services company” named after yourself when you don’t even have a degree, let alone have qualified into a regulated profession and done something as boring as spend years practising law.

Agree. Those saying be kind are cheering on a life of misery and the unobtainable.

They are ignorant.

Give them a few years and they'll be cringing about how they were brainwashed into all this nonsense.

Anyway... good luck with trying to get the DfE to listen/respond to anything. I've been trying to get them to do something about our local schools being closed and months of education lost due to RAAC and asbestos and they couldn't give a shiny shit.

Can they not see that the online cheerleaders are just being kind

They are being anything but kind. They are encouraging them on to self harm to validate their own belief, or possibly for mischief.

"I have sympathy with these children. They’ve been told that these drugs are the answer. Some of their parents have probably gone to great lengths (and expense) to get them on the puberty-blocker pathway. In their eyes, society simply has it in for them, and are denying them their rightful medications out of plain spite"

I symathise with them too but can they not look at the evidence? None of them pass not even a 5mm high Grin on my phone and they have been taking PB for 4 years and Testosterone for 3. I can't think of anyone I know who would look at them and think, 'bloke'. Can they not see that the online cheerleaders are just being kind and patronising them?

Why not wait, be as gender non conforming as they want but just grow up a bit first. If they are still desperate to transition in their 20s then they probably will pass quite well after a couple of years although by waiting most will probably decide being female isn't so awful after all

@KielderWater - yeah. See also tolerance and acceptance.

only if applied unequally

That never happens 🤔

They’re all having a great time by the looks of it. Listen to their polite, middle-class voices - I’m sure some parents are parked up round the corner keeping a watchful eye from a distance. They’re well on board the social-activism train now, heading off to youth parliaments (if they’re not already members of such things) meeting up with Just Oil and Greta Thunberg acolytes - travelling to far-flung climes to protest at conferences etc… I’m sure some of them might be more timid/ND types who won’t tread that path because of social anxiety and ill-health - but there’s your usual core of middle-class girls that seem to be leading the charge. But obviously they might be men - SO hard to tell with the masks.

And the adults behind it? Jude Guaitamacchi was prominently visible at the other roof-top protest. Another adult TRA who seems to be wanting to make a name for themselves and was at the roof-top protest, is transwoman Olivia Campbell Cavendish. An interesting character who apparently is, or is going to be, the 1st UK Black Transwoman barrister. They were everywhere a few weeks ago, showing off their new ‘boobs’ on Insta and saying how they were proud of them, and not going to hold back from showing them off. Images on their Insta of them topless cupping their breasts. Nancy ‘Stonewall’ laughing about how Olivia had flashed their tits at them at Pride.

I haven’t seen Olivia at this protest yet but maybe that’s because there’s a lot of controversy surrounding them. Olivia has accused a well-known transman Kenny Ethan Jones of SA and DV. Another transwoman, Charlie Craggs, has steadfastly defended Kenny calling into question Olivia’s version of events. It’s all very unpleasant and confusing with accusations of ‘toxic masculinity’ being levelled at transman Kenny. I think someone can see that the optics of having Olivia at this protest may be a distraction. I see Munroe B has gone along and had photographs with the kids and posted up that statement on their Insta - probably hoping that their bigger profile will garner more attention.

I have sympathy with these children. They’ve been told that these drugs are the answer. Some of their parents have probably gone to great lengths (and expense) to get them on the puberty-blocker pathway. In their eyes, society simply has it in for them, and are denying them their rightful medications out of plain spite.

It doesn’t look like the mainstream media are at all interested either. I just hope this doesn’t encourage them to take more self-endangering action. I hope the adults behind-the-scenes are truly looking to protect them.

It's so sad. Grin as a physically strong young woman climbing and exploring the world would be lovely, particularly with appropriate safety gear (the obvious problem with upper-arm muscle fatigue during the stunt in the video was disturbing). Grin confined to a wheelchair by 30 with skeletomuscular deteriorations, like a transman known to me, less so, whatever Grin's gender identity at that stage,

Climbing plus osteoporosis.

Good combo that.

Yes quite. Girls being kind. Sleeping on the streets, needing protection.

The guys are on holiday, chillin at home gaming or whatever and sleeping 'til the afternoon.

Gender non-conforming indeed.

I know nothing about Grin but I'm getting the same sort of vibes from what I recall of that Guardian article as I get from the ineffable Freddy claiming that nobody ever explained that having a double mastectomy would mean Freddy would be unable to breastfeed. I mean, come on.

It's noticeable that this girl-led protest is mostly crafting and doing the Time Warp, not a lot of chucking bottles of piss over themselves, punching faces or bomb threats.

Btw I meant to say thanks for the link to night stars. I wasn't aware of their work.

And also female.

I guess the boys that think they are girls are too fragile to join in

A bunch of middle class white kids by the looks of it. I wonder do they realise?

I wonder has anyone told Grin about the high risk of premature osteoporosis that goes with blocking female puberty, and the physical limitation that goes with it?

Reading the Munroe Bergdorf post, the "kids" are about 16-17. If they're all planning on staying there overnight (and goodness knows why they'd want to do that when there's nobody in the building, as a PP pointed out), then I'd have thought they'd be relatively safe. The concern would be if it was just two or three of them.

Having said all that, it's not something that as a parent I would allow a teenager to do, and obviously the idea of asking random adults to come and watch them is just mad because no sensible adult is going to spend their nights outside the DfE building supervising a bunch of teenagers. The only adults likely to respond with any enthusiasm are the ones that mean harm.

A pity I don't live in London. I'd be up for a couple of hours between, say, 1 and 4 a.m. giving them a comprehensive lecture.

Sounds like a good idea! At least they'd be safe, even though they wouldn't think so

No Beer the writers of the leaflet did not think this through at all. They repeated some kind of sound nice mantra that doesn't quite do what they believe it does.

This comes from 'quotebabbling'. A term I saw Dr Hilton use recently and it is very apt.