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Afghan women's voices

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ArabellaScott · 25/08/2024 13:17

Given the latest attempt by the Taliban to further silence the women of Afghanistan, seek out the writing and words and music of Afghan women.

Here's a long and very well written article on landays - a form of Afghan poetry.

https://static.poetryfoundation.org/o/media/landays.html

'When sisters sit together, they always praise their brothers.
When brothers sit together, they sell their sisters to others.'

'In Afghan culture, poetry is revered, particularly the high literary forms that derive from Persian or Arabic. But the poem above is a folk couplet — a landay — an oral and often anonymous scrap of song created by and for mostly illiterate people: the more than twenty million Pashtun women who span the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan'

Landays: Poetry of Afghan Women

Poetry Magazine, June 2013

https://static.poetryfoundation.org/o/media/landays.html

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Imnobody4 · 27/10/2024 10:50

In case we forget, I really don't like feeling this helpless.

Shocking new directive: Today, the Taliban's Minister of Vice and Virtue announced a ban on adult women's voices in each other's presence. In August, the Taliban banned women's voices in public, deeming it provocative. Women protested to this ban by singing and poetry.

Today’s ban on women’s voices in each other’s presence comes from Mohammad Khalid Hanafi, Taliban’s Minister of Vice&Virtue, who published a 100+ page book of edicts against women last month. Every ban on women has a face behind it & must be held accountable for gender apartheid.

https://x.com/ZubaidaAKBR/status/1850261486188581334?t=8WIKkGLzRn5osYW2YbTd2g&s=19

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https://x.com/ZubaidaAKBR/status/1850261486188581334?s=19&t=8WIKkGLzRn5osYW2YbTd2g

ArabellaScott · 14/09/2024 14:01

And yes, 'setback' is an unfortunate accident, not deliberate crimes committed against women and girls.

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ArabellaScott · 14/09/2024 14:00

I am pretty staggered Lammy got made FS, really. He doesn't have the brains or the gravitas.

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Imnobody4 · 14/09/2024 11:42

Just keeping this together.
This is the speech from UK at that same meeting.

We welcome the Special Rapporteur’s longstanding commitment to shedding light on the human rights situation in Afghanistan. We are deeply disappointed by the Taliban’s decision to ban him from the country.
We have all watched in horror and sadness as the Taliban restrict the rights of women and girls across every sphere of their lives. The latest vice and virtue edicts are appalling. They extend the already severe restrictions and systematic oppression to which Afghan women and girls have been subjected. As our Foreign Secretary, David Lammy, has said, these laws mark another tragic setback for the country.
Mr President, these restrictions are unjust. The sound of a woman’s voice is deemed a moral violation, their bare faces are banned in public, and they are forbidden to look at men to whom they are not related. The impact on women’s wellbeing and livelihoods is unimaginable.
The UK will not stop fighting for the rights of women and girls and will continue to find ways to support them in Afghanistan.
Special Rapporteur,
The Taliban must reverse this edict.
How can we support women and girls in Afghanistan now they are effectively banned from public spaces?

I'm rather underwhelmed these laws are a crime against humanity not a tragic setback.

Imnobody4 · 13/09/2024 19:28

Speech at United Nations - is anyone listening.

https://x.com/IsleLesbos/status/1834463757243691268?t=bvdcDx6pBrlTntJLzM-m2A&s=19

Please listen to Horia Mosadiq who’s an Afghan human rights activist, political analyst and journalist. She is speaking heart breaking honesty about what is happening in Afghanistan to women and girls and the dire consequences if other nations don’t speak out against this now.

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https://x.com/IsleLesbos/status/1834463757243691268?s=19&t=bvdcDx6pBrlTntJLzM-m2A

Imnobody4 · 12/09/2024 18:05

https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2024/09/silenced-afghan-women-raise-their-voices-in-hope/

Women gather in Albania in defiance of the Taliban's new "vice and virtue" laws which aim to stop them from being heard

According to Farzana, the priority for the women meeting in Tirana is to unite, and not let political or ethnic divisions distract them. “No matter if I’m Pashtun, I’m Kochi, I’m Uzbek, I’m Hazara, or whatever – we are targeted as women. We are all victims of the same thing.” She hopes the summit will produce a roadmap for Afghan women to present to international governments and the UN. No-one at the summit has any illusions about how long and rocky the road. For the moment, the Taliban feel secure as their opponents bicker about whether to engage or not. But until Afghan women decide how they want to resist, inside and outside the country, nothing will change.

Silenced Afghan women raise their voices in hope - Index on Censorship

Women gather in Albania in defiance of the Taliban's new "vice and virtue" laws which aim to stop them from being heard

https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2024/09/silenced-afghan-women-raise-their-voices-in-hope

Imnobody4 · 12/09/2024 15:57

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/inside-the-talibans-gender-apartheid/the-death-of-hazaras-is-permissible-what-its-like-to-protest-the-taliban-as-a-minority-woman/

After the Taliban seized control of Kabul in August of 2021, Tamana Rezaei took to the streets to demonstrate against rising gender apartheid in her country. As both a woman and a member of the Hazara minority, she faced double the danger, a story she recounts below.

I’ve participated in protests, from small university demonstrations to larger movements. In 2014, we protested the beheading of an eight-year-old Hazara girl by the Taliban in Zabul.

After my release from prison, I secretly left Afghanistan. It has taken and continues to take a long time to deal with what happened to me. Today, however, the lawsuits and the growing awareness among Afghanistan’s women about the Taliban’s gender apartheid are beginning to heal the wounds they inflicted on our souls and bodies. I believe that international recognition of the Taliban’s gender apartheid will eventually end its rule and open up pathways to bring its members to trial.

‘The death of Hazaras is permissible.’ What it’s like to protest the Taliban as a minority woman.

Tamana Rezaei recounts the compounding dangers she faced as a woman and member of the Hazara minority protesting the Taliban’s rule.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/inside-the-talibans-gender-apartheid/the-death-of-hazaras-is-permissible-what-its-like-to-protest-the-taliban-as-a-minority-woman

larklane17 · 12/09/2024 08:41

The strength and courage of women always finds a way.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 07:27

Amazing courage.

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ArabellaScott · 10/09/2024 14:38

'“I believe that when it comes to aid, the world should continue helping Afghanistan. But when it comes to talking to the Taliban, there should be a rule that in each discussion women must be present. And if that can’t happen, they [the international community] should stop talking to them,” psychologist Karina said.
“The world must care about what’s happening with Afghan women, because if it doesn’t this mentality could easily spread to them, to their homes.”'

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ArabellaScott · 10/09/2024 14:37

'“When I learnt about the new law, I decided not to attend the course any more. Because if I go out, I’ll end up speaking and then something bad might happen. Maybe I won’t return home safely. But then my mother encouraged me to continue.”
In the three years since the Taliban takeover, it's become clear that even if edicts aren’t strictly imposed, people start self-regulating out of fear. Women continue to be visible in small numbers on the streets of cities like Kabul, but nearly all of them now are covered from head to toe in loose black clothes or dark blue burqas, and most of them cover their faces with only their eyes visible, the impact of a decree announced last year.
“Every moment you feel like you’re in a prison. Even breathing has become difficult here," said Nausheen, an activist.'

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ArabellaScott · 09/09/2024 11:31

Sorry to add to this thread.

Unfolding disaster of starving children in Afghanistan:

'Up until August 2021, international funds given directly to the previous government funded nearly all public healthcare in Afghanistan.

When the Taliban took over, the money was stopped because of international sanctions against them. This triggered a healthcare collapse. Aid agencies stepped in to provide what was meant to be a temporary emergency response.

It was always an unsustainable solution, and now, in a world distracted by so much else, funding for Afghanistan has shrunk. Equally, the Taliban government’s policies, specifically its restrictions on women, have meant that donors are hesitant to give funds.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj35611ngyro

A baby in a hospital in Afghanistan

Afghanistan: Babies dying as malnutrition disaster unfolds

Acute malnutrition, which has ravaged Afghanistan for decades, has reached an unprecedented level.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj35611ngyro

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2024 10:29

No, they don't.

ArabellaScott · 09/09/2024 10:22

It's unbelievable.

The social media is all merrily supporting both teams. Not a fucking word about the women of Afghanistan. They really don't fucking care, do they?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2024 10:19

I agree @ArabellaScott

ArabellaScott · 09/09/2024 10:17

Shame on New Zealand for playing Afghanistan. I can't actually believe all these men are smiling away, playing fucking cricket with each other, while women are imprisoned and silenced in Afghanistan.

https://x.com/ACBofficials

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ArabellaScott · 09/09/2024 09:19

[email protected]

This is the email for the ICC .

I encourage women to write to tell them to remove Afghanistan as a member.

'The Anti-Discrimination Policy ... one of the toughest in world sport - confirms a level of commitment from the ICC and its Members to promote and encourage participation at all levels regardless of race, colour, religion, descent, culture, ethnic origin, nationality, sex, gender, sexual orientation, disability, marital status and/or maternity status and to ensure that there is no discrimination in the sport.'

https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/integrity/anti-discrimination/about-us

About ICC Cricket | International Cricket Council

As the international governing body for cricket, the International Cricket Council works to develop cricket as a leading global sport.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/integrity/ethics/code-of-ethics

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ArabellaScott · 08/09/2024 18:32

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/08/the-observer-view-on-afghanistan-britain-and-the-us-are-complicit-in-the-talibans-oppression-of-women

'they have been let down again by the failure of liberal democracies to take action against the Taliban. In June, the UN held a conference on Afghanistan and acceded to the Taliban’s demands that Afghan women be excluded. Afghanistan under the Taliban is not being treated as the international pariah that it should be; the country continues to be a full member of the International Cricket Council, for example, despite not having a national women’s team that is a requirement of membership. After withdrawing from Afghanistan in 2021, the previous Conservative government relocated just 2,000 Afghans through its resettlement schemes, despite pledging to bring 20,000 – including female human rights activists. Afghan women are right to feel as if the west has abandoned them, and is effectively ignoring their brutal oppression.'

The Observer view on Afghanistan: Britain and the US are complicit in the Taliban’s oppression of women

Despite the regime withdrawing even the most basic human rights of women and girls, liberal democracies have failed to take action

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/08/the-observer-view-on-afghanistan-britain-and-the-us-are-complicit-in-the-talibans-oppression-of-women

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ArabellaScott · 07/09/2024 21:10

Imnobody4 · 07/09/2024 16:58

Yes, although they fuck it all up at the end:

'Does this apply to people who don’t identify as women but are also discriminated against for their actual or perceived gender or sex?

Targeting based on gender is not limited to women and can include victims who identify as women, girls, men, boys, nonbinary, and LGBTQI+ persons. Gender crimes target persons based on their sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression (e.g. woman/girl, man/boy, or nonbinary), or based on their sex. The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court’s guidance on gender crimes defines gender as “sex characteristics and social constructs and criteria used to define maleness and femaleness, including roles, behaviours, activities and attributes.” These social constructs can vary between societies and can change over time. '

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ArabellaScott · 07/09/2024 21:04

This is a magazine featuring work from women from Afghanistan.

https://www.instagram.com/underthestarryafghansky

There's a fair few accounts on Insta that are schools or groups supporting women-.Online Herat School is one. Most are in Arabic script (I don't know enough to discern what languages) but there is auto translate.

Give them a follow and let them know.we've not forgotten them.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/underthestarryafghansky

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Imnobody4 · 07/09/2024 16:45

From Janice's article.

Campaigners are enraged to hear that female advances in every sphere of life, from law to sport, were a mere blip. They say the Taliban’s edicts are neither social “norms” nor Islamic law but mechanisms of social control (and of men, too, who are brutally punished for not keeping “wayward” womenfolk in check). What they endure needs a name and in October the UN legal committee will debate codifying a new crime against humanity into international law: gender apartheid. Existing laws address abuse of women but campaigners, from Nobel laureates to Amnesty, believe none fully capture the codified, systemic abuse of Afghan women.

Who do we lobby.

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