‘Demure and mindful’ - oh great.

I don't object to him doing what he's doing because he identifies as "trans". The objection is because he is male.

But what do you think transgenderism is? Why is it such an important concept to you? What do you think makes someone 'trans'?

There seem to be videos all over social media of people who don't understand what the words mean, so I asked a colleague (a good decade or two younger than me) she didn't seem to really understand it either, other than some people find it funny. I don't think anyone is implying women ought to be demure or mindful (although the latter feels misused in this context anyway).

For the record more than happy for men to wear as much make up as they like on the understanding it doesn't change your biology. Off out now wearing a dress but no make up, maybe I'm genderless?

Is it ok to comment on how vapid it all is @TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree or should we just be silent. The point of TikTok is that everyone can share their banal nonsense with the world, so why can't women on mumsnet?

LOL. 'Bridled' I think was the word.

And yes, we can see that you're incapable of addressing any of the arguments.

This is a well-worn joke among drag queens.

What's interesting is that the BBC article, in an effort to virtue signal that they believe that TWAW, have tied themselves in knots obfuscating the notion that a male in a dress and make-up might not look demure, by pretending that they think it might not be a joke, as if they didn't clock that Lebron isn't actually the dainty creature they claim to be.

They even had to quote Lebron explaining that it's a joke because the BBC didn't want to risk accusations of transphobia by laughing at the joke without first checking with the source that it was intended as a joke before they laugh at it.

And then, so as not to focus on the juxtaposition of Lebron's presentation with their self-description of said presentation (in case they insinuated anything offensive to trans people), they instead veered off into some random commentary about social media trends and changing language.

Which I find much funnier than the actual joke.

Because it's popular culture and gets clicks. That's it.

Because it is pretty simple. This person is trans. You're angry that they're trans.

They're male. That's the entire objection. "Trans" is irrelevant other than we're supposed to fawn over it.

And the angriest person on the thread is you.

It irritates the fuck out of me. Along with the endless articles about Kamala Harris’s suit choice.

Yes, I couldn't care less what suit she wears.

Why do you need to know they're trans so urgently? You don't. It doesn't matter. Calm down.

People are telling you they have an issue with it. You calm down. Hyperbole from your first post on the thread.

Grace Jones & Annie Lennox knew they were women.

lol. using an argument that claims this person is a male, is transphobic by your own rules.

just in case you really don't get it. Men wearing make up is fine. Men claiming they're women and that's why they're wearing make up isn't.

Biological realist.

Also 80's girl. Men in make up are still men, I crushed on Duran Duran & Bowie like all the rest. Boy George & Marilyn knew they were men under their frocks.

Like seriously even if you believe trans women are men

Even if I believe? How is this person a woman? Go on.

And again, you don’t seem to be able to correctly characterise the arguments at all.

You seem to have a very overly simplistic view on it.

Why do you need to know they're trans so urgently? You don't. It doesn't matter. Calm down.

As a woman who never wears make up, I can't see how this person's preference to wear make up is mocking me or has anything to do with me at all.

They aren't just a man in makeup, though, are they? Don't be disingenuous, that's not what people are objecting to.

Haha! Shades of This is Spinal Tap there.

And the point is that they are reported as ‘she’ in that article and refers only to that person’s ’gender transition‘ half way down with a short sentence.

‘Gender transition’ in this case could mean anything, there are over 130 genders. And it has been shown that the UK public don’t understand what these term mean. They are confused by them.

No one is denying this person exists. No one is hating them. People are pointing out that this person is mocking female people’s history of being expected to follow sexist stereotypes. And that it is misogynistic to do so as a male person.

“Because it doesn't cause any fucking harm if a trans tiktoker”

a) wears make up
b) has opinions about make up
c) makes jokes about make up
d) other people find the joke funny and make memes about it

No one is complaining about a, b, c. And d is irrelevant because we know that some people find funny things that are horrific.

You cannot seem to address what people are discussing. You have misrepresented the argument completely. It is like you cannot correctly characterise the points being raised at all.

And we all know men shouldn't be wearing make up, right girls, that's our shit that we were born with on our faces and have written into our DNA 🙄🙄

Like seriously even if you believe trans women are men, why the fuck shouldn't they wear make up?

It's amazing watching a group of so called "gender criticals" who clearly actually aren't interested in being critical of gender stereotypes at all, they just want to uphold them because Make up is for GIRLS apparently. Does it not bother you that this trans person is actually being more gender critical than you are right now?