‘Demure and mindful’ - oh great.

The very idea of transwomen being exactly women is misogynistic so it should be called out whenever it appears, maaate!

What else did you think would happen when you screw women over, a free pass at least 25%of the time? 10%, 50%?

What level of misogynistic writing is acceptable and should not be called out?

And it's true, that every time a trans person is in the news there's a thread on here linking it to misogyny. Are there any transwomen who you like or admire? Do you think there could possibly be a situation where you might be friends with a transwoman in real life?

Anyone else remember when Gordon Brown left his mic on and called one of his core voters a bigot without listening to her concerns or trying to understand them?

"It's a joke, it's banter, it did no harm, they were only trying to help, you are upset because they are trans. "

I had no opinion on the article and there's a lot of bbc non news i just refuse to read nowadays but the red flags are flying out in the defence like arrows.

Anyone who keeps referring to those on FWR as bigots can fuck right off. Just stop. Argue your case (if you can), but I’ve had a gut full of being repeatedly called a bigot because I believe (as I am lawfully allowed to) in biological reality.

Oh but I was joking, that's how it works.

The comment was bitchy. I did not call you a bitch.

Just wondering why you had to tell us you're an intelligent woman, we all are, we just disagree.

Incidentally the word bitch has only ever been used to me by men, to silence me, didn't work then either.

And if LeBron wasn’t using female pronouns, you would have a valid point as far as the point that this group of males should not be held to any sexist female stereotypes either.

No one should.

But that is not how this has been portrayed in that article.

I get it, its funny because its a male taking the piss out of how he thinks females should dress. Very funny, absolutely laugh a minute. Now Where's that sarcasm emoji

Just another man taking the piss out of women but it's okay because this man is 'one of the girls' FML take that you bitches, misogyny that you can't fight.

I have no intention of denying that Jools Lebron exists, and don't care what he wears or whether he uses makeup - his choice, not a problem. And behind the closed doors of an entertainment venue, or on a site I'll never visit anyway, his crude sense of 'humour' is moot.

But if the BBC News site, in a world full of war, expects me to be amused and indulgent about his comment on office clothing that a shirt "only has a little chi-chi out, not my cho-cho", adding: "You should never "come to work with a green cut crease", I reserve the right to say no, not funny or appropriate.

Also to say that he makes it very clear that he despises women and finds expressing that disdain funny and exciting - which is a problematic and dangerous male mindset many of us have suffered from throughout our lives.

@RamonaRamirez

I thought they were trans and not a drag queen. Nowhere in that article does it say that or did I miss that part?

"You see how I do my make-up for work? Very demure, very mindful,” she told her millions of followers.
"A lot of you girls go to the interview looking like Marge Simpson and go to the job looking like Patty and Selma. Not demure."
That is not particularly funny. Unless you like the mean girl style of funny.

Good explanation but I think you'll find that they don't want to know.

See - personal and bitchy.

@PurpleSparkledPixie the joke is that it was ironic

a person who is not very demure or mindful (who knows 😁) in fact rather the opposite, being quite OTT and silly, dissing a style she was wearing in her previous video.

she was basically taking the Mickey out of herself and it was funny as sort of unexpected (if you have not seen the original video, picture someone in full on drag clutching her pearls and tutting about being demure) it’s the juxta position of the outfit (and previous outfits) that makes it funny

like all jokes it is not really possible to explain, and you sort of had to be there 😁 but I tried for you

Yes I imagine they knew it had the same vibe.

Indeed @Katkins17

Yeah I was confused as to why this was on the BBC News front page until I read the article, then it all made sense. My only mild surprise is it's not a drag queen being showcased.

If only it were the other way round.....

Make a joke about a trans person and it's 'literally genocide.'