‘Demure and mindful’ - oh great.

Its just a joke. Can't you bigots take a male laughing at the stupid things you do (really need that sarcasm emoji)

It IS just a joke.

I'm 57 and I understood this, partially because I actually read the BBC article.

Then try discussing the many valid points instead of squirming away, deflecting, and calling everyone else a meanie. No need to say Helle refused to debate civilly when you refused to debate at all. Answer our questions properly, you never know you might actually convince us to change our minds. It has been done before you know.

And to go back to answering our questions properly (not aimed at you personally but so you can see how our questions get ignored) I see nobody has answered mine except one, who appears to have given the wrong information. Funny that.

I suggest you go back to the thread where you posted about far right behaviour and see what I said and your reaction to that post.

I thought it was just a joke but I've only seen dogs on tiktok either being very well behaved or very badly behaved, with their owners saying 'very demure, very mindful'. Clearly it was lost on me as I didn't know where it originated from, probably like most people.

Yes, funny how the joke's always on women, isn't it? Fucking hilarious.

Women are sick of it.

She’s not telling you, or any other woman, to be demure and mindful. Absolutely no need to “bridle” or be offended 🙄

In my experience trans rights activists and their supporters have precisely one argument as to why I should think of some males as women.

"Because it's their "identity" and you're mean not to".

They know it's all about stereotypes so they avoid anything to do with that.

You cannot seem to address what people are discussing. You have misrepresented the argument completely. It is like you cannot correctly characterise the points being raised at all.

Care to point out what is rude about this considering what the poster had posted repeatedly beforehand.

And I am not doing it to put posters off posting. I do it to point out that a poster is doubling down on their points while accusing me and others of bigotry and hatred when there is no bigotry and hatred in the actual points that we are making. The poster had misrepresented he points I made to make those accusations.

Or did you miss that?

Do you think describing a poster as hateful and bigoted while claiming that the poster has an opinion that they have not is ‘civil’?

So, I didn't realise that the person was trans. I do think that that alters things significantly for me. It's one thing being female or from a certain group and being self depreciating and ironic, but when that person is from the same cohort as the oppressors, then making jokes about the oppressed, even if intended to be ironic, is tone deaf.

I think that @Helleofabore has done a great job of clearly and intelligently explaining the issues.

Because when you spell out your own stance you might see how much you inherently know these individuals are male.

You know it. It doesn't matter what we say, do, or believe or don't do. You know this individual is male.

And that alone makes you a bigot in the eyes of some.

You've been given the opportunity to debate yourself - you should seize it with both hands instead of run away from it screaming "bigot".

Does she perceive it in most opposing voices on threads that she then attacks in exactly the same way? Perhaps she has a Word document that she just copies and pastes from as the similarity is uncanny.

Perhaps most of the people that post on these threads to call us all bigots don't really have much of a coherent argument and can't explain why we should believe males are women?

Helle addresses you and Dogs similarly because you and Dogs have an uncannily similar debate style.

The opposing voices always manage to slide over actually addressing the issues though.

Rather than demonstrating the flaw in Helle’s case, opposing voices tend to settle for accusations of bigotry and so on. No actual discussion that illuminates the thinking behind your opinion.

Forced teaming. I like that

@PurpleSparkledPixie

She's trying to get you to discuss the actual point, unfortunately many posters won't. If you can't that is fine but that means that YOU can't debate not Helle. Don't put your inadequacies onto her, that is YOU being rude (and deflective).

On this thread, it was aimed at another poster. On a different thread, it was aimed at me. Word for word. This is my point.

Yes I was thinking that too @SensibleSigma - it never gets old.

In your subjective opinion it’s ‘just rudeness’

In my subjective opinion it’s ‘clear, decisive analysis of what Helle observes and believes to be the truth, free of pandering’.

It’s like the Mother in law jokes, isn’t it.

Just a joke. Yes. Repeatedly told about the same people, and effectively limiting the behaviour of those women to either comply with the hilarious stereotype or reject it and demonstrate their cool MiL credentials.

No opportunity to find the role for themselves.

I had to scroll back, did you mean this bit ?

Caliga · Today 13:23

You cannot seem to address what people are discussing. You have misrepresented the argument completely. It is like you cannot correctly characterise the points being raised at all.

Is this really your only conflict-solving solution? You used the exact same words and technique with me a few days ago. Why can't you just debate civilly?

She's trying to get you to discuss the actual point, unfortunately many posters won't. If you can't that is fine but that means that YOU can't debate not Helle. Don't put your inadequacies onto her, that is YOU being rude (and deflective).

Does she perceive it in most opposing voices on threads that she then attacks in exactly the same way? Perhaps she has a Word document that she just copies and pastes from as the similarity is uncanny.

Indeed. It's sounding more like the old News of the World or Sunday Sport with each day that passes, respected news site? In their dreams.

@Helleofabore

Remember this is someone who took exception to me saying that the behaviour of those on the far right is unique to the far right. I merely pointed out that was biased considering the evidence that those we have seen lately on the left behave the same way.

Thanks. You may want to copy that over as I don't recall that in any way. It doesn't seem like a thing I would assert at all.