Amnesty International

Writing emails absolutely works, much more than twitter, but enough have to write in.
So glad its been effective in this case.

And I'm just going to post this website again, which we should donate to because he provides a resource I for one couldnt do without in this fight.
www.ceoemail.com/

Brilliant use of complaining!

It's random. If you do, you are wrong. If you don't, you are wrong. It just depends on what is more useful in terms of berating you.

They aren't the values of liberal democracy, but they are what a lot of non-westerners would consider liberal-progressivism.

It's of left, even if it's different from traditional leftism - it comes out of an idea of breaking down traditional categories and boundaries in order to reach a kind of utopia or historical endpoint.

There was a documentary about it, but pretty sure it wasnt Afghanistan, but somewhere in Eastern Europe.

Gosh. Amnesty listened to women. That's got to be a first.

They just recently changed it again

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/597186/complaining-works-amnesty-removed-the-ludicrous-suggestion-that-afghan-women-and

Many, many years ago, I was so dedicated to amnesty international that I ran our local group. They lost my time and money a very long time ago.

Women do not identify into our oppression.

That article does not (afaics) say 'identify' as women and girls anywhere. I may have missed it, though.
What it does say is that the West used the plight of women and girls as an excuse to invade Afghanistan and that this use is racist - I'd have thought it might be sexist. Either way, I don't like the implication. Should no-one help anyone in case of being accused of white saviourism, racism, sexism, black saviourism?

Amnesty have not replied to my complaint

They just represent western liberal progressive values, and try to impose them on other parts of the world.

Except that these 'values' are neither liberal not progressive. Nor, indeed, 'left-wing', if that term has kept a shred of its original meaning. There's nothing liberal about acceding to the demands of a small sector of privileged and powerful men to the detriment of the wider public. Sadly most leaders of left parties, trades unions, etc, don't see it that way.

In the past I believe that if there were no boys in an Afghan family, one girl was chosen as the boy, dressed accordingly and given an education until puberty set in, when they went back to a female child’s restricted life. It is those girls who grew up and fought for their rights, having seen how boys were advantaged. So , in a way, self ID by the families worked. I wonder if this practice has started again.

Amnesty undermined their whole mandate when they stopped being fairly politically neutral outside of issues around political imprisonment.

Now they have to decide whether the political prisoners deserve it or not for their wrongheaded views.

They have no moral authority any more that could possibly be any kind of influence of authoritarian regimes. They just represent western liberal progressive values, and try to impose them on other parts of the world.

This.

It's not a coincidence that the phenomenon of men identifying as women occurs in states where women have a good amount of rights.

Thanks Marie. I came here to say this. Amnesia Ireland can go away and have a shyte now.

That's just awful. People, and organisations, seem to have completely lost their grip. It's like you can't rely on anyone to have your back, as all the 'good guys' seem to have feet of clay.

I lost all respect for Amnesty in 2020 when they signed a letter written by TENI (Transgender Equality Network Ireland) which demanded
‘We call on media, and politicians to no longer provide legitimate representation for those that share bigoted beliefs.’

The spectacle of Amnesty - Amnesty !- calling for removal of basic civil rights, like representation by their elected representatives, from people because of their gender-critical opinions was denounced by, amongst others, Iseult White, the daughter of the co-founder of Amnesty International, Nobel Laureate Seán McBride (son of Maud Gonne McBride).
I believe that when an international human rights organisation with the reach and influence of Amnesty International signs a letter that seeks to deny legitimate representation to people of conscience, it has a chilling effect on society. Amnesty and freedom of conscience – The Irish Times

The letter was also signed, also mind-bogglingly, by the National Women’s Council of Ireland..

I would bet my house on there being no trans identifying men in Afghanistan.

It is a poverty stricken country and believing you are the opposite sex is a luxury belief.

I would guess the Taliban are tough on men who identify as trans - if they realise. But that’s a completely different thing from what’s being done to women.

Oh, and also that any males IDing as women or girls would absolutely experience this same treatment. Obviously.

Years ago to make a point I asked on Facebook whether girls could ID out of things like child marriage. My friends saw fit to angry-react and scold me like a child, but no one had an answer, of course.

@biddyboo
Presumably Amnesty mean that if they tell the Taliban that they in fact identify as male, they will be able to walk the streets unveiled in trousers singing their hearts out.
I suggest we ask the Secretary General. Here is their contact
www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-9755&c=Amnesty%20International-Secretary%20General

Does anyone know why Amnesty ended up pushing this crap? Like, exactly which individuals decided to reshape the charity's aims in this way, and why are they doing this?

Yup have a friend who works there. She's fucking bonkers tbh.
So sad. It was an amazing organisation in it's day.

Sorry to be thick, I used to support AI...

... what does "captured" mean in this context?