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Possible world wide ramifications of the Tickle v Giggle ruling.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 23/08/2024 15:57

Here's an article that comes to a very depressing conclusion.

Australia has abolished womanhood - spiked (spiked-online.com)

"What ought to send a shiver down the spine of all right-thinking people is that this ruling could have huge ramifications for those in other countries across the globe. The Convention to Eliminate All forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) is an international treaty adopted in 1979 by the UN. It is an agreement that recognises the specific needs of women. Giggle’s defence argued that Australia’s ratification of CEDAW obliges the state to protect women’s rights, including single-sex spaces. That Justice Bromwich rejected this will have ramifications for the 186 countries that have ratified CEDAW, as judges across the world look to landmark rulings like this to inform domestic decisions."

Australia has abolished womanhood

Tickle vs Giggle has placed the delusions of trans activists over biological reality and women’s hard-won rights.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/08/23/australia-has-abolished-womanhood/

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NitroNine · 23/08/2024 17:55

Jesus suffering Christ (& all the angels, saints, & men & women of God you can shake a bishop’s crook at, frankly).

The judge said the evidence did not establish Tickle was excluded from Giggle directly “by reason of her gender identity although it remains possible that this was the real but unproven reason”.

Rather, the indirect discrimination case succeeded because Tickle was excluded from the use of the social media app “because she did not look sufficiently female”.

I could honestly weep.

Your one was excluded for being male. As simple as that. Nothing to do with their “gender identity” - they could have any GI under the sun - & everything to do with the fact that humans cannot change sex. Various countries have allowed the absurdity of the fiction of a “legal sex”; & have allowed people to create forms of ID stating they are members of the opposite sex. Those absurd - immoral, even - laws have not made humans able to change sex. Males with birth certificates, passports, NHS numbers & driving licences identifying them as female are still male. Just males in a position of power & privilege; with whom the State is colluding in a lie; & who exercise their male privilege every time they enter a space that is meant to be reserved for women - either without considering those women & their needs, or deciding their selfish desires are paramount.

The judge’s conclusion is patently absurd & ripe for the disproving: just for a start how many “butch”/otherwise “unfeminine” users do we imagine Giggle has? I’m fairly sure women would happily sign up in their least “feminine” looks purely to disprove that twaddle. Then who is to say what gender ID people hold? The closest thing a TERF-type would have to one is being agender, after all. So clearly Giggle is open to a range of gender IDs as well as levels of [performing] femininity. It’s just, as Ms Grover has argued throughout, not open to members of the male sex. However they may identify; & however the law may try to redefine “sex” into something meaningless.

IwantToRetire · 23/08/2024 17:24

I dont doubt that other countries will point to this, but the decision was based on past Australian court cases. Which is depressing of course.

... the federal court justice Robert Bromwich said the respondents had considered “sex” to mean an unchangeable sex of a person at birth.

“These arguments failed because the view propounded by the respondents conflicted with a long history of cases decided by courts going back over 30 years. Those … cases established that on its ordinary meaning sex is changeable,” he said.

.... The judge said the evidence did not establish Tickle was excluded from Giggle directly “by reason of her gender identity although it remains possible that this was the real but unproven reason”.

Rather, the indirect discrimination case succeeded because Tickle was excluded from the use of the social media app “because she did not look sufficiently female”.

... The Australian Human Rights Commission acted as a friend of the court. Barrister Zelie Heger told the court that sex was no longer defined in the Sex Discrimination Act but that “importantly the act recognises that a person’s sex is not limited to [being a man or a woman]”.

Although these arguements certainly have an echo of how in the UK the GRA has created the 2 types of women, ie actual women and "legal women".

Crouton19 · 23/08/2024 16:44

Australia cannot be thinking that when CEDAW was drawn up in 1979, presumably with no definition of 'woman' as everyone was assumed to have a common definition, that it was intended to be used to protect male people?

lonelywater · 23/08/2024 16:20

ramifications? everyone on planet earth (barring the koolaid nutters) will wonder what the fuck happened to Australia. An international laughing stock. (except its not actually funny)

mateysmum · 23/08/2024 16:11

Australia has lost its mind.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 23/08/2024 16:08

I've also just seen this. Depressing and highly worrying that the court deems biology to not be binary. I mean WTF.

Biological man sees a tiny safe space for women and thinks Fuck them, I want that too. Which is ironic considering it's this type of entitled behaviour that drives real women to look for these places.