Possible world wide ramifications of the Tickle v Giggle ruling.

@TheywontletmehavethenameIwant
Watching all the interviews Sall has done since, I am as cautiously optimistic as she is.
As she has said multiple times she expected to lose this one because it was the letter of the law being judged, despite the law being an ass in this instance.

As to the fine of $AUS 10,000, she ruefully admitted on Glinner that was down to the fact that she laughed outloud in court at seeing a photo of him...

I’m hoping the FWS hearing at the U.K. Supreme Court will cast some more light on the importance of the meaning of key words. At some point I am hoping a senior court will state the bloody obvious that biological sex is a thing and that sometimes it really really matters.

If we are lucky it could have a Cass like impact where the grown ups start driving the narrative again based on facts.

Only found this thread after I came across Mr Menno's always on point vid on FB. That's a couple of the most chilling paragraphs I've read in a long time, @StealthSpinach . This is the end-game. This is what they want. And why they can't be allowed to win. I would be despairing if I was an Aussie.

Mr Menno is the best.

This sadly is confirmation of my own instinct.

It's fashionable for metro elitists to sneer at 'Barry the Gammon' and his missus and all the other Barrys out there but guess what? Barry may not have a uni degree but he doesn't fucking need one to know that the Emperor is bollock naked and that a woman can't have a penis. The folk who traditionally voted for the left have been abandoned by the left. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

The rise of right-wing and far-right parties in Western countries is not largely due to encroachment of transgender activism on women's sex-based rights, but to a pivot to right-wing populism that is not really related to safeguarding women's rights.

Pawel Zerka, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations, specifically mentioned "gender" as one of the factors responsible for the centre left losing ground to the right in the recent European Parliament elections.

Along with the Tasmanian law and clarification from the Sex Discrimination Commissioner, this is a horrific blow to women in Australia - legally, females cannot hold events, meetings, activities, or have spaces, venues or request anything that is female-only.

“Female” in Australia means female sex and transgender identity are considered EXACTLY the same. GI trumps sex, as TW cannot be excluded.
Lesbians cannot hold events or socials for biological females only.
Women cannot have spaces exclusively for biological females only.
There is no way to request biologically female medical personnel.
There is no way to have change rooms, toilets, showers, etc exclusively for biological females.

In Australia, transgender people can basically self identify and change their legal sex (in Queensland, they can legally change it every 12 months!).
Children can change their birth certificates, birth certificates can be issued without a sex marker at all, and parents can change their children’s birth certificates.
Schools must affirm, and as soon as a child (of any age - primary or secondary) decides they are the opposite sex, they are permitted into the change rooms, showers, toilets, accommodations, etc of the opposite sex.

If I had a daughter, I would feel exactly as Sall does about the world her daughter is facing as she grows up.
I despair of the world my ASD child will find themselves in - and who will seek to indoctrinate him into the corruption of GI, as it is in schools, support providers, laws, sports, etc. It is insanity, and I don’t know how we will keep our children or ourselves as females safe.

Sall is just so brave.

That’s why the app is not active/current. Sall would rather it not be available than have to compromise her users.

Male Tickle has decimated Sall’s livelihood as well as her personal well-being. Until the appeal, the app will remain offline, and Sall will continue to be targeted.

So how does this ruling sit with all the other men/trans identifying men who were trying to get onto the app and being refused? Does it rule that she needs to provide access to all comers?
More light is being shone on the problem, and I will be proud to support her appeal to higher courts

Apparently, to submit a complaint to the CEDAW one does need to exhaust national remedies.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/special-procedures/wg-women-and-girls/note-different-procedures-within-un-system-dealing-womens-human-rights-violations

There exist several avenues for bringing individual complaints relating to discrimination against women to the United Nations bodies. One can send a complaint to the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women or another treaty body, such as the Human Rights Committee, the special procedures of the Human Rights Council or the Commission on the Status of Women..

Generally, complaints should include a detailed factual account of the violation and all supporting documentation. They should not be politically motivated nor have abusive language. Each complaint system has its own advantages, but some mechanisms will not accept a complaint if another is already dealing with the issue, so it is important to understand how each mechanism works.

Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women

The Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW) is the body of independent experts that monitors implementation of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women. CEDAW Committee consists of 23 experts on women’s rights from around the world.

Victims of an alleged violation of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW) may submit a complaint to the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women. The procedure under the Optional Protocol is quasi-judicial and if successful, the Committee will request the State party concerned to provide redress to the victim.

The complaint will only be admissible if:

The State party responsible for the violation has ratified or acceded to an instrument called the Optional Protocol to CEDAW (OP-CEDAW) before the violation took place or, in the case the violation took place before such ratification or accession, it can be successfully argued that the violation has continuing effects, i.e. it continues to deploy its effects after the entry into force of OP-CEDAW

The victim has “exhausted domestic remedies,” meaning that the victim has tried to remedy the violation in her country first. This requirement can be waived if the domestic remedy will be ineffective or take too long to realize.

The thing is, at the end of the day, the supposedly left-wing goal of taking women's and girls' spaces and handing them to men and boys... also accomplishes the right-wing goal of edging women out of public life and taking away their resources.

In light of Alsalem's comment, I wonder if the legal team representing Giggle considered submitting a complaint to Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW), though I am unsure if this avenue can be only pursued if the High Court of Australia upholds this ruling.

Yes, I hope this ruling at least makes some Australians and others who follow world news (including Labour, as you mentioned) think more deeply about legal ramifications of self ID solely based on gender identity.

Yes you're right it's a slow burner but it's changing. Every bit of sunlight seems to wake more people up. The fragrant, weeping Tickle is just the latest sunbeam. People are talking about the whole issue now in a way I wasn't even hearing 6 months ago.

I hope Labour are paying attention because they largely got in for 'not being Tories'. The next swing away from them will be a gift for Reform.

There are women who fight against the intrusion regardless of their political affiliation and there may also be women who have swung to the right due to this issue; however, my point was about how most voters, including those in countries with self ID laws, still do not consider it their priority when voting.

So the aforementioned women have yet to emerge as a voting bloc that can strongly impact the outcome of elections, because not enough people care about how women can be disadvantaged by self ID.

I know quite a few women who have swung to the right because of this specific issue. And longer term I suspect the current 'right-wing' govs in Scandinavian countries will be the new lefties as populism grows.

The rise of right-wing and far-right parties in Western countries is not largely due to encroachment of transgender activism on women's sex-based rights, but to a pivot to right-wing populism that is not really related to safeguarding women's rights.

It sounds depressing but most voters in general, even in countries where self ID became legal, still do not voice concern about such impingement as much as they do about other election issues, even if they understand that legal sex being different from biological sex can cause problems for women.

Self ID is not something that is only pushed by left-wing/centrist governments; the Swedish government that recently adopted self ID, for instance, is led by a right-leaning/right-wing coalition. The Finnish self ID law was also passed by the right-wing coalition.

This is exactly why right-wing governments are rising all over the Western world. People on the street have had enough of delusional zealots trying to rewrite reality with no hint of sanity coming from the Liberal left. I hope there will be an appeal?

It's a pillar of reality.

I have a cat that acts in a dog like manner. I wonder what the vets would say if I asked for her to be registered and treated as a dog? What about the ban on XL Bully Dogs? Surely, if the dog sees itself as a Labrador, then it should be classified as one thereby negating the ban! Sod biology and facts. So unfashionable these days.

"But Grover believes no human being has or can change sex - which is the pillar of gender-critical ideology".

'gender critical ideology'?? Why does this negative term even exist, except to undermine the views of anyone who dares to tell the truth.

Well all this is a reminder that it seems in Australia as in the UK the erosion of women's sex based rights have not only been gradually eroded on a social level, but that courts have also been adopting this attitude that sex isn't actually a biological reality, it is what someone wants or demands it to be.

“importantly the act recognises that a person’s sex is not limited to [being a man or a woman]”.

Oh, FFS!