BBC claim 'Grover is a self-declared ‘TERF’ - an acronym that stands for “trans-exclusionary radical feminist.” TERFs’ views on gender identity are widely considered to be hostile to trans people.'

Oh, I agree. I just posted that for a bit of a morale boost after the awful outcome for Australian women. 💚🤍💜

Some of us are happy to reclaim it....
https://x.com/mslisterssis/status/1826468739040378914?t=Ed9G011rXQWg7nQ-WfosUQ&s=08

BBC article has been changed. Now reads:
Grover is a self-declared Terf, which stands for "trans-exclusionary radical feminist". Typically used as a derogatory term for those considered hostile to transgender people, it has also been claimed by some to describe their own gender-critical beliefs.

@EasternStandard "The outcome of this case could set a legal precedent for the resolution of conflicts between gender identity rights and sex-based rights in other countries.

Crucial to understanding this is the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW)."

Poof! And just like that women's rights disappear into "anyone's rights".

Given the way the case was decided +++no conflict was resolved, males were declared the total winners+++ women's rights are not merely subsumed. They're disappeared.

Legal fictions are OK. For example a company can be a legal "person" in some contexts.

The difference is that this legal personhood has limitations - one cannot marry a company, for example - and the the reality of thing being synthetically created by the legal fiction is not undefined by the creation of the synthetic. The law recognises "natural persons" as being distinct from "legal persons", and natural persons have rights that legal persons do not.

The concept of "natural sex" would I think be useful.

Yeah it is VERY different if a person wants to reclaim a slur, to the fucking national broadcaster - who are openly misogynistic - using that slur.

As if all this isn't depressing enough, going through to the complaints page shows the BBC responding to complaints clearly made by TRAs about Matthew Pinsent commenting on the male Olympic boxers... It's all 'nuance' and 'difficult' and yadda yadda. Ffs. (sorry, not meaning to derail). There isn't any effing nuance. Sex is binary. How the hell did we get here.

I know it's the BBC so take it with their general position but I find this very concerning

A legal precedent
The outcome of this case could set a legal precedent for the resolution of conflicts between gender identity rights and sex-based rights in other countries.

Crucial to understanding this is the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW). This is an international treaty adopted in 1979 by the UN - effectively an international bill of rights for women.
Giggle’s defence argued that Australia’s ratification of CEDAW obliges the State to protect women’s rights, including single-sex spaces.

So today’s ruling in favour of Tickle will be significant for all the 189 countries where CEDAW has been ratified - from Brazil to India to South Africa.
When it comes to interpreting international treaties, national courts often look at how other countries have done it.

Australia’s interpretation of the law in a case that got this level of media attention is likely to have global repercussions.

If over time a growing number of courts rule in favour of gender identity claims - it is more likely that other countries will follow suit.

Beyond journalism generally, we need a SEEN specifically for the BBC.

Sall does YouTube things called TERF TV so its a fair comment that she uses the word about herself. Like lots of women in this debate, she is trying to take the sting out of its use by showing it won't work to shut her up. I doubt she sees herself as a trans exclusionary radfem (and Giggle is open to all women however they identify, as far as I know), but Beeb has not made the distinction yet.

It really is. Why on earth did we go down this mad path of legislating fiction

This is the endpoint when we allow these daft 'legal fictions'. Bad enough in the UK with GRCs, but much worse and more serious here in Australia. Sex is binary, you loons!

Terf is a slur, it's incredibly insulting that the BBC are throwing it around willy-nilly & I'm absolutely disgusted.

☀ I'm wondering how many people this current verdict will peak.

This is nonsense but dangerous nonsense given the precedent it sets

Sofia Bettiza
Gender and Identity Correspondent, BBC World Service

You already know that this article is full of biased bigotry. There is exactly one ideology that one can follow to become a Gender and Identity Correspondent.

Case law, not science.

If Australian law considers TWAW, TMAM and NBIA - whatever it is that the mantra says they are, then sex is indeed changeable and not necessarily binary. Judges presumably apply law, not science, to their judgements. In which case, yes, case law will support this.

I've complained, not that the BBC will give a shit.

why do we have to give our address to register the complaint? i don't want to

Well yes. What medical evidence that sex is changeable is he basing that assertion on?

But Justice Robert Bromwich said in his decision on Friday that case law has consistently found sex is “changeable and not necessarily binary”

What fresh nonsense???