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NCHI recorded against JKR (Northumbria Police)

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NitroNine · 22/08/2024 09:54

If Rowling’s lawyers are doing any additional work at this time, I assume it’s to establish how on earth a police officer decided that her Foolish Law Day TwiX Thread met the threshold for recording as a NCHI:
Under the Code of Practice on the Recording and Retention of Personal Data (‘the Code’), the personal data about the subject should only be recorded where the incident:
“presents a real risk of significant harm to individuals with a particular characteristic(s) and/or a real risk that a future criminal offence may be committed against individuals or groups with a particular characteristic(s)”.

How came I to know of this? IW mouthing off on TwiX. Including repeatedly tagging the lawyer named in Imane Khelif’s case. Because what court could fail to be impressed by this pseudo-Stasi name-taking; & what lawyer wouldn’t interrogate the surrounding circumstances of i. IW’s harassment campaign & ii. what the thread ACTUALLY SAID?

I don’t think IW took legal advice before posting those tweets. Rather, IW is buoyed by their little sliver of letter:
[NAME REDACTED] states that in determining that this matter was not a crime, the second test was whether it was a Non-Crime Hate Incident. This test is clearly set out the that a Non-Crime Hate Incident (NCHI) means an incident or alleged incident which involves or is alleged to involve an act by a person which is perceived by a person other than the subject to be motivated - wholly or partly - by hostility or prejudice towards persons with a particular characteristic.
[NAME REDACTED] confirms he was satisfied that this threshold was met and as such a NCHI was recorded and as such safeguarding measures were addressed with you and a harm reduction plan was recorded with the offers of safeguarding.
I note in your original submission you requested that this matter be passed to the CPS for consideration and also that further advice is sought. As detailed above, I am satisfied with the

It’s a deeply unfunny joke that Northumbria Police mention “harm reduction” & “safeguarding” in this particular context. I do hope what was offered was based on “stop harassing the woman & she might stop replying” but that seems too sensible.

NCHI recorded against JKR (Northumbria Police)

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Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 24/08/2024 23:57

I'm personally hoping JKR has a long game here - which may involve suing any police forces issuing NCHI against her to the point that it creates a black hole in government finances so large that it forces a law change as a result.

She'd definitely do more for women and children with the money than the government does so it would be win win all around. She's already created the only place women who are traumatised by men can go for single sex rape crisis support in Edinburgh. The money spent by government on rape crisis support has been pissed away or in some cases been used for a personal crusade to further abuse women from the sounds of how they operated in the RA vs ERCC case.

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NitroNine · 23/08/2024 11:05

The whole thing is an absolute embarrassment, frankly.

Mind you, Northumbria’s VAWG strategy includes everyone. Instead of acknowledging men & boys can also be victims of the crimes listed & developing a strategy specifically for them, as both groups deserve, they just get lumped in, making it meaningless for everyone. <slow handclap>
The PCC clearly has some more work to do on tackling misogyny & “championing…ethical recording and investigation management”.
Couldn’t agree more though that Northumbria has a serious issue with this:
Online abuse - there is a growing need to tackle online VAWG as well as that perpetrated in public and private. We will continue to track developments around the Online Safety Bill.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/08/2024 10:08

CobwebCorner · 23/08/2024 07:19

Wouldn't it be great if the police started focusing their efforts on people that have committed actual crimes?

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Wouldn't it just.

WickedSerious · 23/08/2024 07:36

CobwebCorner · 23/08/2024 07:19

Wouldn't it be great if the police started focusing their efforts on people that have committed actual crimes?

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Crazy talk.

CobwebCorner · 23/08/2024 07:19

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2024 19:59

So JK Rowling has been recorded as having committed a non crime?

Wouldn't it be great if the police started focusing their efforts on people that have committed actual crimes?

Mochudubh · 22/08/2024 20:53

Haven't RTFT but I can't make any sense of the OP. Not the fault of @NitroNine but just the whole word spaghetti of what constitutes a NCHI is just, well, spaghetti.

Will try again later.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 22/08/2024 20:04

No idea @Omlettes . I suspect the police don't know either which isn't very reassuring.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2024 19:59

So JK Rowling has been recorded as having committed a non crime?

Omlettes · 22/08/2024 19:59

PurpleSparkledPixie · 22/08/2024 10:09

According to that tweet Northumbria police think calling a man a man is a hate incident worth recording. That definitely needs exploring further.

I'm also interested in how high a police officer has to be to be allowed to record non crime hate incidents on a national register. Inspector, Chief Inspector or can a lowly, fresh out of college Constable make that decision by themselves?

Anyway, I will continue to call a man a man, I could do with three meals a day and no electric bill to consider right now. Bring it on IW.

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Doesnt Forstater make that illegal ?

ArabellaScott · 22/08/2024 19:47

Then you've had it.

WickedSerious · 22/08/2024 19:09

ArabellaScott · 22/08/2024 18:34

They sort of tightened up the guidelines so its improved, but no, they are still there.

'These incidents should not be recorded where they are trivial, irrational, or if there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility.

https://www.college.police.uk/article/new-code-and-guidance-non-crime-hate-incidents

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I see.

What if it's motivated by frivolity?

ArabellaScott · 22/08/2024 18:41

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/08/2024 18:40

IIRC a few women have been told that they had to be arrested and interviewed in order for them to be able to record the incident as a "hate incident", following the Miller appeal judgment so it seems some police officers don't really understand the judgment or why it was made.

Sounds about right.

Make shit law, fail to train police, scatter around and use at will whenever there's an inconvenient woman you want to punish.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/08/2024 18:40

ArabellaScott · 22/08/2024 18:34

As I understood it, the judgement on whether something is 'trivial' is up to the individual police officer.

ArabellaScott · 22/08/2024 18:34

Rymeswithpunt · 22/08/2024 16:05

I thought non crime records were deemed illegal by the courts when Harry the owl took the police to court over them?

Did I get that wrong or are the police just ignoring the law now if they feel its hurting mens rights ideologically wrong?

They sort of tightened up the guidelines so its improved, but no, they are still there.

'These incidents should not be recorded where they are trivial, irrational, or if there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility.

https://www.college.police.uk/article/new-code-and-guidance-non-crime-hate-incidents

New Code and guidance for non-crime hate incidents | College of Policing

Updates support officers and staff responding to reports of non-crime hate incidents

https://www.college.police.uk/article/new-code-and-guidance-non-crime-hate-incidents

Rymeswithpunt · 22/08/2024 16:05

I thought non crime records were deemed illegal by the courts when Harry the owl took the police to court over them?

Did I get that wrong or are the police just ignoring the law now if they feel its hurting mens rights ideologically wrong?

CobwebCorner · 22/08/2024 15:54

ArabellaScott · 22/08/2024 14:31

Scotland has the Hate Crime Act, remember. It's a little different up here.

No evidence required, you can report on behalf of someone else, you don't need to be the supposed victim. And that could be outwith Scotland.

You can accuse anyone of anything, basically, and it may be recorded by the Polis.

What a time to be alive!

Apollo441 · 22/08/2024 15:48

RoyalCorgi · 22/08/2024 15:19

But malicious communications is still a crime isn't it?

Yes, of course. I guess JKR could report IW for malicious communications, which would be entertaining for all of us, though she might regard it as a waste of her time.

But perhaps we should all start reporting people who post insults on Twitter for malicious comms. Give as good as we get.

I think that is the only way to bring an end to this nonsense. Seems that complaints are just ignored.

RoyalCorgi · 22/08/2024 15:19

But malicious communications is still a crime isn't it?

Yes, of course. I guess JKR could report IW for malicious communications, which would be entertaining for all of us, though she might regard it as a waste of her time.

But perhaps we should all start reporting people who post insults on Twitter for malicious comms. Give as good as we get.

Igmum · 22/08/2024 14:40

Oh FFS Northumbria Police, what on earth is wrong with you?

BezMills · 22/08/2024 14:37

ArabellaScott · 22/08/2024 14:31

Scotland has the Hate Crime Act, remember. It's a little different up here.

No evidence required, you can report on behalf of someone else, you don't need to be the supposed victim. And that could be outwith Scotland.

You can accuse anyone of anything, basically, and it may be recorded by the Polis.

To which the only reasonable response is

Oooooooh

Datun · 22/08/2024 14:37

RoyalCorgi · 22/08/2024 13:25

Well women are going to get fucking motivated, if they, themselves, are being reported for stating the truth.

The one catch in this is that sex is not a protected characteristic under hate crime legislation. So calling someone, say, an "ugly fat bitch" wouldn't be an NCHI. Neither is age a protected characteristic so you couldn't even get them on "ugly old bitch". We'd have to confine our complaints to insults relating to sexuality (and I'm sure IW has said some pretty nasty things about lesbians) or possibly disability.

What a waste of everyone's time, though. The very concept of an NCHI is nuts in the first place.

But malicious communications is still a crime isn't it?

But yes, true, they kept sex out of it. Naturally.

Willoughlby called Helen Joyce a religious biddy who should rot from the inside. Religion must be protected.

Plus, I thought the police said they had to investigate each and every report. Whether they thought it had merit or not.

The entire absurd concept is ripe for exploitation.

ArabellaScott · 22/08/2024 14:31

Scotland has the Hate Crime Act, remember. It's a little different up here.

No evidence required, you can report on behalf of someone else, you don't need to be the supposed victim. And that could be outwith Scotland.

You can accuse anyone of anything, basically, and it may be recorded by the Polis.

Mmmnotsure · 22/08/2024 13:50

WickedSerious · 22/08/2024 12:16

It's been kept off the front pages by 'Python bit my goolies while I was on the bog'.

The Daily Star. Hexameter, starting in trochees and ending in iambs.
Pure poetry.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 22/08/2024 13:46

Amazing. An allegation, based on a perception, is sufficient for the incident to be recorded on the police database.

Somewhere on FWR there are posts about the people who foresaw this as the unintended yet logical consequence of McPherson. Similarly to the same way that people anticipated the consequences of GRA 2004.

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