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VAWG as a public health emergency

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snappyf · 21/08/2024 21:47

I heard violence against women and girls referred to as a public health emergency.

Of course it is.

It should be treated as such, same way as any other public health emergency.
I mean... the financial cost alone without the personal cost. The mind boggles.

Wondering what other people think? X

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FlowerWrath · 24/08/2024 18:10

Hoardasurass · 23/08/2024 08:48

Some of the biggest inequalities are in health and health outcomes for women, just look at the stats for heart attacks and how often women are ignored and not treated even in a&e, or the dismissal of women's pain and the medical violence that we suffer. Then think about the way that the NHS is prioritising the wants of men to the detriment of women and the physical and mental harm caused by this can you really say that inequality has nothing to do with public health or violence?

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I never said inequality has nothing to do with violence .

If you read the quote I quoted I was talking about Inequality at work, not within the NHS

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snappyf · 23/08/2024 22:23

Attitudes behaviour it's everything. Making it a public health emergency may finally focus minds.

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SensibleSigma · 23/08/2024 13:58

cupcaske123 · 23/08/2024 12:48

So in your opinion, domestic abuse is out in the open and family, friends and colleagues all know what's going on?

Yes of course, misogyny leads to abuse and misogyny should be challenged. Structural inequality leads to women being trapped in abusive relationships and victim blaming attitudes help enforce it.

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In my opinion many people accept controlling behaviour and ‘alpha male’ shit, the ownership of women, various other underlying attitudes that eventually lead to toxic behaviour.

I know a lot of men who are well thought of, whose underlying attitudes mean I worry for their wives.

So no, domestic abuse isn’t out and proud. But the underlying attitudes are. They just aren’t recognised as the bottom rungs of the ladder.

cupcaske123 · 23/08/2024 12:48

SensibleSigma · 23/08/2024 12:43

I’m not sure about how hidden it really is. I think that attitudes leading to abuse are often accepted when they should be challenged.

It’s attitudes that need to change after all. Behaviour will follow.

So in your opinion, domestic abuse is out in the open and family, friends and colleagues all know what's going on?

Yes of course, misogyny leads to abuse and misogyny should be challenged. Structural inequality leads to women being trapped in abusive relationships and victim blaming attitudes help enforce it.

SensibleSigma · 23/08/2024 12:43

I’m not sure about how hidden it really is. I think that attitudes leading to abuse are often accepted when they should be challenged.

It’s attitudes that need to change after all. Behaviour will follow.

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snappyf · 23/08/2024 12:34

Hope would one begin to work out the cost?

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cupcaske123 · 23/08/2024 12:31

SensibleSigma · 23/08/2024 11:49

Right but all the men who don’t abuse their families but don’t step in to protect anyone else or call men out, may be stimulated to intervene if they realised what a tax burden those men create.

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I agree that men should step in when they hear misogynist jokes or see their friends sexually harass or assault a woman.

However domestic violence is often hidden and it's unlikely most men would know their friends were doing it.

Thelnebriati · 23/08/2024 11:51

Its money that could be put to better use imo.

SensibleSigma · 23/08/2024 11:49

cupcaske123 · 23/08/2024 11:34

Doubt it. Financial abuse is very common in DV. Some men won't allow their wives to work or won't agree to pay towards childcare so they can get back to work or work longer hours.

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Right but all the men who don’t abuse their families but don’t step in to protect anyone else or call men out, may be stimulated to intervene if they realised what a tax burden those men create.

cupcaske123 · 23/08/2024 11:34

SensibleSigma · 23/08/2024 11:28

Maybe if men were made aware of the economic consequences of VAWG, they’d be motivated to take action. Money talks.

Doubt it. Financial abuse is very common in DV. Some men won't allow their wives to work or won't agree to pay towards childcare so they can get back to work or work longer hours.

Thelnebriati · 23/08/2024 11:33

I keep posting this, but domestic violence costs the UK an estimated £66 billion every year..
www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-economic-and-social-costs-of-domestic-abuse

''Domestic violence has overtaken gestational diabetes and pre-eclampsia as the leading cause of foetal death.''
safelives.org.uk/research-policy/health/idvas-in-maternity-units/

SensibleSigma · 23/08/2024 11:28

Maybe if men were made aware of the economic consequences of VAWG, they’d be motivated to take action. Money talks.

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snappyf · 23/08/2024 09:12

I'm tired of men handwringing and worrying about their wives daughters sisters etc...

Good men have to start taking the lead with boys too. It has to be root and branch. I've ben a feminist all my life but I'm sooo tired.

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snappyf · 23/08/2024 09:09

Exactly...if you include that as well....

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Hoardasurass · 23/08/2024 08:48

FlowerWrath · 22/08/2024 18:43

Inequality is different to violence and is nothing to do with public health

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Some of the biggest inequalities are in health and health outcomes for women, just look at the stats for heart attacks and how often women are ignored and not treated even in a&e, or the dismissal of women's pain and the medical violence that we suffer. Then think about the way that the NHS is prioritising the wants of men to the detriment of women and the physical and mental harm caused by this can you really say that inequality has nothing to do with public health or violence?

FlowerWrath · 23/08/2024 08:28

Stricter punishments are needed

FlowerWrath · 23/08/2024 08:27

snappyf · 23/08/2024 07:49

It would also focus the mind much more on prevention surely. I mean that's the point. Also there has to be much more men policing other men. A much bigger men's movement. There's white ribbon and the heroic David challen but precious little else.

The police is having struggles keeping officers as it is now, recruiting more officers would be a nightmare

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snappyf · 23/08/2024 07:49

It would also focus the mind much more on prevention surely. I mean that's the point. Also there has to be much more men policing other men. A much bigger men's movement. There's white ribbon and the heroic David challen but precious little else.

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snappyf · 23/08/2024 07:47

Someone suggested it. If it was a public health emergency I imagine it would get treated much more urgently. And would've been historically.

I think it's a good idea.

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FlowerWrath · 23/08/2024 07:30

Omlettes · 22/08/2024 21:07

NAM too eh?

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Never mentioned that

cupcaske123 · 22/08/2024 21:36

Where have you heard that? I've seen it referred to as a national emergency but not a public health emergency.

SensibleSigma · 22/08/2024 21:12

I don’t think helping the victims should be the focus. Prevention is more important.

And that means helping boys and young men as well.

We need serious work about consent and autonomy with children, starting young. When kids realise they don’t get to tell other people what to do, they’ll be happier. Control yourself, not other people. Mind, our school ethos would need to change.

Omlettes · 22/08/2024 21:07

FlowerWrath · 22/08/2024 09:47

All violence is a public healthy emergency. Not just VAWG

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NAM too eh?

FlowerWrath · 22/08/2024 18:43

snappyf · 22/08/2024 15:15

Plus the damage caused by the sex trade inequalities at work etc etc
I mean this is half the population

Inequality is different to violence and is nothing to do with public health

FlowerWrath · 22/08/2024 18:43

It’s hard to see who is worse off. The government should focus on helping everyone that is a victim of violence