blimey-trouble at mill-prick news goes weird.

I suspect that Labour getting into office and KS declaring that he did not think males with transgender identities should access female toilets and Streeting and KS supporting the Cass report left many without the support they expected.

For how long did they all refrain that it was all the Tories fault and that life would be perfect with Starmer. Well, Starmer played a blinder and still, who really knows what he will allow to happen under his watch.

I think these groups that supported children transitioning have little place to go except to accept the Cass report. If the NHS cannot get a study through ethics evaluation to start, it will fully support what Dr Cass carefully wrote and what clinicians and other groups have been raising the alarm about for years now.

Beth Rigby, sorry. Shite memory for names.

Possibly what wee penfold was hinting at in his sweaty interview with Beth thingummy.

Agree, though, that I think they've really damaged their brand, possibly beyond all repair. They may still have lots of funding, but it'd be interesting to see how they are perceived now among the general public. I don't think it would be favourably.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. We know from the census that about 0.5% of the population identifies as trans, and that that is probably an overestimate arising from the poor wording of the question. (This compares to about 3% identifying as gay - still not a lot, but male homosexuals often have money to spare because they mostly don't have children.)

There are two main demographics identifying as trans. One is teenage girls, who obviously don't have a lot of money, and middle-aged men, who clearly do have more money, but are there enough of them to make a difference? How many of them even read Pink News?

And finally, associating yourself with the T can be bad for the brand identity, as we saw with the Bud Light episode in the US when they took on Dylan Mulvaney as a brand ambassador.

As long as Stonewall don’t think they can suddenly become an LGB rights organisation again with all forgiven & forgotten. They’d have to earn that trust back & I’m not even sure it’s possible.

Centring the T is bad business.

Consumer brands have known since the 1980s that gay men, followed closely by lesbians, are an incredibly lucrative group of consumers. Studies have shown that gay men in particular have more disposable income than their straight counterparts because they are less likely to have children and can often be found in senior roles in lucrative, consumer-centric industries such as fashion, media and the arts. Put simply, they like buying nice things and have the money to do so - an advertiser's dream.

Now look at the average trans consumer. Not so many studies have been done on them, but I'd be willing to bet that they're younger, less likely to have disposable income or a lucrative career, more likely to have mental or physical illnesses which will impinge on their ability to earn enough disposable income to buy expensive things and pay for expensive experiences. Plus they have a nasty habit of suddenly throwing their toys out of the pram and trying to cancel brands at any perceievd slight. An total turn off for advertisiers, basically.

The pink pound is HUGE, the trans pound doesn't exist, they only have pennies.

Trans (apart from the expensive surgeries and medical interventions ofc) is bad, bad, bad for business.

She's very coy about it! Tried to fob me off with a line on chin hairs. But we've seen what's happening.

maybe having so many of your representatives running around in balaclavas screaming about punching old women has finally stopped being such a good look?

My assumption is that it's Cass plus all the revelations about the impact of activist groups on NHS policy and medical practice. And while quite rightly it will be the professionals who know better but capitulated to the mob who will be in the dock, presumably many of the transactivists who lied repeatedly to children and the public are aware that they may be held to account - hence the mass scrubbing of google.

That leopard says otherwise, who knew you were furry adjacent?

What has happened? It seems like there are too many people reverse fretting to conclude that they don't all know something??

It can't be the boxers. Because that can just be no comment forever.

I still don't get it.

Driven snow, me.

Same, I'm thinking hen, chickens, chicks?

It's because our minds are pure, Bodegan...😇

Ah, umm it took me entirely too long to figure this out.
I'll hang my head in shame for the chickens I thought it was.

As for prick news, ah well, how sad, never mind.

"Oh also, the TERFs using these recordings to justify transphobia, go fuck yourself."
Lol

Fuckinghell if that's true then they've changed their tune haven't they? To even call trans issues contentious is a turn around for that prat.

Good, excellent! More playing cards pulled to make the house teeter!

It's not fur, it's just a few straggly chin hairs.

Interesting re the Stonewall comments. Worth considering:
Which organisations have targeted children in schools with the wrong body /no right to boundaries nonsense ?
Who offered training courses that suggested adults take actions that openly undermined safeguarding children?
Who offered adults roles in organisations despite them being potentially a danger to children?
Who had an obsession with extreme porn yet offered advice to children's organisations promoting the removal of single sex spaces that breached fundamental safeguarding practice?
Which organisations and individuals have promoted puberty blockers as safe and reversible to children below the age of consent? etc etc....

Go and take a look at the online presence of numerous transactivist organisations & individuals who have done all the above - you'll see the mass deleting of evidence. It's too late of course as women have kept the receipts - but they know that the game is up and are hastily trying to cover up their culpability.

Never had you down as a furry botherer.

Seems unlikely looking at who owns the shares in Pinknews Group Ltd

I can't see Cohen being forced out of his own company.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1eygkmf/i_work_at_pinknews_theres_some_things_i_need_to/

'It's not for queer people, it's about queer people. There's a reason he calls it the "Gayly Mail" and it's because, during the months that he had more of a say editorially, the main ethos was to churn out as much shocking content about LGBTQ+ people as humanly possible'
...
'For those of you who are wondering why there hasn't been a statement – firstly, staff are wondering the same thing – but internally the SLT is still playing defence. Some staff were shamed and gaslit for suggesting Ben should resign or even face disciplinary action for this and the idea of an apology is laughable to the executives at the top.'

I hope that this is PN’s downfall.

wasn’t it instrumental in destroying the readership of the men’s magazine who tried to simply let people know a video conference was on for LGB Alliance? Ie not supporting it with any editorial just letting readers know it was on, so even those who disagreed with LGB Alliance could watch and see what was discussed.

That was a dick move if I am remembering it correctly.

The reality (despite the noise they make) is that the T market (including allies) is pretty small in comparison to the LGB and wider population.

It was a business model that was never going to be sustainable.

Causes are like fashion. They change.

In the post Cass world more and more corporations/advertisers are getting wary of pinning their colours on this mast.