Anyone know why the thread about the death of the young transman has been deleted

Griffin died, but no cause of death has been released. You are all just speculating.
And it is rubbish to claim there is no gay community where Griffin lived. It has a number of LGBTQ bars and a large annual pride.

I can't help wondering if the fact there's no gay community anymore has any bearing on what these young people are going through? No role models, no peer group. No elder gays to associate with. They seem to be living their lives online.

The issues around urination are obviously further compounded with the negative side effects of testosterone on the female excretory system.

This is grim reading!

I just posted this on another thread, may as well copy it over here to illustrate the brutality of phalloplasty. This was an NHS funded surgery by a commissioned, private service.

Photo shows a UK transman’s one person, 24/7 camp-out protest (prematurely ended by Covid lockdown, I do not know what happened next but I hope they are OK).

Text from images (I used my phone’s copy text from image function which isn’t always great with handwriting, but I think it got the gist of it ok)

"St Peter's AndroLogy Centre"
145 Harley Street
World Renowned Surgeons??!
You Have Made Numerous life Changing MistaKes

1. Hand/Arm Morbidity/Radial Nerve Cut/ Nerve Damage Pain 24/7
2. Part Of Phallus Tip Died
3. No Tactile/No Sexual Sensation/Ice Cold To Touch.
4. Urinate On A 45° Angle Must Use Urine FunneL.
5. Urine Dribble/ Must Use Incontinence Pads
6. Buttocks/Nasty Scarring/Constant Burning Pain (Done Twice)

MEET MY SURGEONS

• Professor David Ralph Medical Director Numerous Surgery
• Mr. Nim Christopher (One Surgery)
• Mr. Giulio Garaffa (2 Major Op's) "He Created Most of The Damage" The Top Two Surgeons Made MistaKes Doing Repairs

• "You Have Destroyed My Life
• "SHAME ON YOU"

Dec 2018 Surgery, Prof Ralph, Buttock/Phallus + To work on My Arm Together with Mr Christopher.
WoKe To Find That Mr Christopher Had Done Arm ALone + Phallus
all 3 Arm Grafts Died.
After Prof Ralph Spent Numerous Surgeries To Rebuild The Missing Bit Of Phallus, Against My wishes Without My Permission. He Allowed Mr Christopher To Do The Final Stage OF Revision
Does Not Look Good. Made A Complaint, Prot Ralph Denies Our Agreement.

0c15,2018,I Had An Appointment With Prof. RaLph.
These Issues Were Discussed + agreed. Ater This Meeting I Received Prof Ralphs Response letter Dictated Dec 15,
We Plan To Do Further Grafting In The Areas That You Have Marked On The Arm And I WilL Personally Do This Together With M. Christopher:

I Was Not The One Who Told Lies
Prof Ralph You Owe Me an ApoLogy.

BEWARE This Centre Is Not Monitored.
Any Mistakes your On Your Own. Get Everything In Writing

Your Team Have Greatly Reduced My Quality Of Life And Indefidence. I Asked for Disablity Equipment, To Reduce Pain And Accommodate Hand Damage.

Prot. Ralph Stated I Was A Special Case And Would Receive The Items. Request Refused By The CCG And Wheelchair Department.
"SHAME ON YOU, WORLD REKNOWNED SURGEONS.
"YOU CAUSED THE DAMAGE, YOU PAY FOR THE ITEMS."
The Only Specialized Services Centre In The UK:
Your Team Messed Up Big Time,
Take Responsibility, Liaise And Coordinate My Care With The NHS.

Protest Began, Sept 7, 2019.

Yes. I feel this is true.

In fact, when it is discussed with a male extreme transgender activist, the female experience is actively dismissed with a 'well, of course, I support it. I have to give equal support to the opportunities to do this because that is 'equality'.' Whereas, I see that the reality is that female transition is very useful to these male people. The brutality of it all is dismissed because either the male people simply lack any understanding of how much more brutal it is for female people, or they cannot admit it because it shows just how much male people are not female people, ever. Plus, it is expedient for there to be so many female people with dysphoria.

Maybe Griffin's legacy is to force this discussion out into the open. It is horrific though that Griffin has been treated this way and that Griffin now even has a 'legacy' instead of being alive and being happy.

Just wanted to add this in before going back to Griffin:

Ritchie’s recent Andrew Gold interview has reached over 1.2 million views on YouTube (Andrew Gold’s highest viewing figure to date)

Perhaps it was more he was in a coercive situation where he felt he had everything to lose if he didn't do it, if you know what I mean.

And I only bring it up because I think it gives insight into the decision making processes that some of these patients go through. Not wanting to turn the thread about Griffin into a thread about Ritchie.

Yes. Very much so.

And then when he woke and said he regretted it, he was gaslit - it was the anaesthetic.

Then it was his OCD.

Etc

Never "maybe we haven't got this right."

The scolders are rarely interested in how much worse ‘gender affirming care’ is for female bodies than male bodies.

That is such a concerning issue for anyone that is so very very vulnerable as Ritchie was. I can only imagine that it is not a stand alone incident.

I cannot imagine what pressure is being brought to bear on these young teens and young adults. Particularly concerning just how many are in social care situations without a parent or family member to support them.

Are you even interested in what happened to Griffin? I can only assume not and that you are here to derail.

Nope, not one comment on Griffin's desperately hard experiences and death.

Just scolding about a random website hardly anyone here has accessed.

And yet, on this thread, I simply pointed out that your initial statement :

"It encompasses all the hate and bilge that can't be expressed on the usual sites. This hostility and ideology stems most commonly from the far right."

was heavily biased and overly simplistic. I also pointed out after you accused me of 'calling you out' to which I again pointed to your initial post and reminded you that you were the one calling out posters.

This is not 'patronising', it is criticism. The rest is just you trying pivot and swivel and then claiming to be a victim of being 'talked down to' and 'patronised'.

You have done fuck all to support this initial claim of yours or any other that I have seen, despite your educational claims. Instead, you seem to only be interested in derailing the thread and distracting people from discussing the horror of Griffin's situation and what can be learned from it and what changes need to happen.

Are you even interested in what happened to Griffin? I can only assume not and that you are here to derail.

I cannot call Griffin Sivret "he".

This woman was coerced, with the threat of removal of mental health care as the threat, into being surgically mutilated.

I cannot divorce this case from all the other cases of medical misogyny I hear about. I see it as a new manifestation the same hatred of women and our natural bodies that was and still is used to justify symphysiotomies, the "husband stitch", and clitoridectomy as a "cure" for purported nymphomania.

I'm pretty sure I'm safe in assuming all the MH 'support' he was getting was affirming.

This all seems so big. I'm just me. I don't have the ear of the people who have been persuaded to enable this stuff. Or who have got themselves in positions to just do what they want. Slowing this, never mind turning it round, seems so hopeless.

Yes he felt coerced into it.

All MH support was to be withdrawn if he didn't go ahead with it.

So they basically strong-armed him into surgery??

I think I remember him talking about his after care and the complications he was having and not receiving any support.

It's that authoritarian view that someone diagnosed with GD MUST have surgery.

Because the cheaper alternative methods have been suppressed under "no debate."

That does sound about right. Iirc, he was told that if he didn't proceed with the surgery, they were discharging him from the service. So no more mental health treatment for gender dysphoria.

Nope. They refer to tax-and-spend versus don't-tax-and-don't-spend. Distinct from left and right is authoritarianism versus liberalism (in the classical sense of the term "liberalism", not the modern bastardised sense). You can be a rightist liberal like Ayn Rand, a rightist authoritarian, a leftist authoritarian like Stalin, or a leftist liberal, or any gradation on that two-axis political spectrum. AND, you can be authoritarian about some things and liberal about others, such as how multiple US states outlaw abortion but any adult US citizen without a criminal record can walk into a gun shop and buy a firearm and the official position of the Republican Party is that this is how things should be.

What authoritarians on the left and right have in common is the willingness to suppress facts that undermine their worldviews. I can't remember which YouTuber said "facts don't care about your feelings", but he was right. Facts also don't care about your political leanings. The fruity website's users document facts.

So it's subjective.

The diagnosis of gender dysphoria is also very subjective but the harm done to an individual who embarks on genital surgery is absolutely not.

@ArabellaScott

Your definition of far right is attempting to create a Platonic ideal of a far right supporter. It might be an interesting thought experiment, but it's almost guaranteed to be proven wrong as soon as you try to describe it, because the basic premise (people are one thing or another based on a fixed set of characteristics) is fatally flawed.

Where have you got this definition from, could you expand?

It wasn't a definition of far right in particular, but rather how 'far right' and 'far left' sit holistically within an individual's mindset.

Sources: many, having a degree or two in the subject

Ok @Caliga.

Anyway, back to the topic of these horrendous life-changing surgeries on young healthy people. Some interesting posts in the last page or so about who’s doing what and where in healthcare. I’m learning a lot.

@Caliga

Engage with the point of the thread which is the terribly sad death of a young woman at the hands of surgeons who led her to believe that experimental surgery would help her mentally.

We've established that all the content discussed was posted by this young woman.

She detailed at length the catheters, blood clots, hair loss, swelling, kidney failure, dialysis, internal bleeding and and a brain haemorrhage. Because she wanted to stand up to pee.

@Helleofabore

Well you sound a bit sensitive if you think Hella was ‘talking down’ to you. She was just explaining how people have discussions online, giving evidence for their assertions and expecting others to provide evidence for theirs. 🤷🏼‍♀️

No, she was being patronising. I know how people have discussions online; I don't require an overbearing explanation.