Anyone know why the thread about the death of the young transman has been deleted

Ah ok, the opening conversation. But not the following 12 pages.

@Nadeed I don’t think anyone has speculated on the cause of Griffins death, actually- though I haven’t scrolled back the the start to check.

The discussion has been about
-how very quiet the internet has been, and how little is available about Griffin given her prolific posting. Barely any comments on her online obituary. She’s been disappeared.
-how appalling the treatment she had is.
-he tragic it is that she’s had half her life experiencing failed treatment and is now dead.

and a bit of derailing about how awful we are to care- far right bigots as we are.

Then he was a paedophile.

I wasn't talking about Griffin in my post so you can shelve your faux outrage.

Newsflash - Gay men aren't interested in 13 year old girls.

Unfortunately safeguarding laws are based on real life safeguarding failures, often where a child or adult has lost their life. They're needed to make sure that mistakes aren't repeated.

Trans is a subjective diagnosis based on gender stereotypes. People disagree about its existence outwith social pressures and influences and also the correct "treatment" given body dysmorphia is treated successful with cbt.

There'a no clarity about the actual cause of death here; but it's clear that Griffin was extremely unwell and deteriorating in the years and months before. Brain bleed and dialysis is no walk in the park.

Another young woman currently suffers locked in syndrome due to a stroke caused by the testosterone she was taking for a team identity.

The Righteous: "Don't talk about this, look over there at those squirrels!"

Ooh I'm mostly left libertarian too

Given that HCPs are basing decisions to drug, mutilate, castrate, and remove the body parts of people who have 'gender incongruence' or 'body dysphoria' on what seems to be a stunning paucity of evidence and data, I think 'talking about it' is really somewhat mild in comparison.

Someone I know is enduring horrific health after-effects as a result of physical interventions in response to feelings about 'gender'. The damage is likely to be lifelong, the life may be less long than it would have been without the 'treatment'.

Horrible as what Griffin suffered is, and little as I want to learn the details, if it protects any other person from this, it's good that it is being discussed.

Treat mental health conditions with therapy, not with drugs and surgery.

Personally I think it's much more disrespectful to try to memory hole appalling tragedies like this - meaning that other young people are not aware of the risks. But we are all different

@TheKeatingFive True you can. But its pretty disrespectful. I will leave you to it then. Using the death of a young person to support your viewpoints.

I interjected because people online have done exactly the same about a relative of mine who was murdered. They were totally wrong with their theories and speculation. And it is bloody disrespectful.

Posters can talk about what they wish with guidelines

@TheKeatingFive that is the facts. Maybe posters can stick to them instead of some of the ridiculous speculation and untruths that have been posted?

And the facts are that Griffin's body was significantly impacted by multiple complications from this surgery and now Griffin is dead. At a time of life when death is extremely rare.

oh, correction, its header suggests it's 23 years old - maybe older than some of our younger posters.

The Political Compass test that places you on a grid with left/right and libertarian/authoritarian axes is still out there for anyone curious about where their views sit, and why

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

It still thinks I'm left libertarian, though obviously there are some visitors to Mumsnet who would assume otherwise. It also seems oddly old fashioned, although it can't be much more than a decade old.

I am simply keen that we stick to the facts.

Seems like you are trying to minimise the impact of this surgery on Griffin. Why?

Fine to talk about what we know from what Griffin posted. I do not think it is okay to speculate about causes of death and even worse to say we really know what must have caused his death.

It’s clear you do not understand anything about high risk, low reward, medical procedures.

It's overwhelmingly likely to be connected with the complications from surgeries though, isn't it?

It's very rare for 23 year olds to die. Griffin recorded all the problems emanating from surgery in great detail. The impact on the body was clearly very significant. No unrelated medical issues were referenced.

I'm not sure what the value is in trying to minimise the impact of these surgeries. We owe it to young people thinking of similar procedures to be clear about the risks.

Griffin's own testimony indicates that this surgery caused Griffin considerable harm, whether it was the immediate cause of death or not. We are entitled to discuss this.

Just to add, at 13 years old when Griffin first said he was trans, it would have been totally inappropriate for older gay men to associate with him as suggested by poster upthread. And inappropriate for Griffin to go to bars.
But there are youth organisations for LGBTQ young people where Griffin lived.
Its clear you do not understand anything about this community.