Anyone know why the thread about the death of the young transman has been deleted

Griffin’s words about adult male predators in these groups meant to support young people echoes those of Benji’s in Canada. And we know of those such as Stephen Ireland over here in the UK.

The lack of safeguarding is really stark and a major issue.

That article also provides insight into how far the TQ++ culture has embedded itself into schools and public services in the US. A dense network of partnerships and relationships that would be hard to unravel. No wonder so many American parents are upset about this. It could be the one key issue that harms the democrats in the presidential election.

That's a thorough article. The 'Safe Homes' organisation need looking into.

I haven't seen this posted - a Substack from a local campaign group summarising the story, and looking into some of the organisations involved.

https://massinformedparents.substack.com/p/a-young-woman-lost-her-life-is-the

Yep. Just 'Boots', not a crazed emperor.

And it was an off-the-cuff remark, BTW. There's no need for deep analysis into it. Seeing someone vulnerable - an outsider - treated this way even in death upsets me. You can rationalise it any way you wish, and you will, but as a practice it's unethical. (IMO).

I've been reading Caliga and thinking Bootsy.

Good lord. What a choice of username.

And how amazing is the my brain at seeking familiarity. I have been reading ‘Caligula’.

Strictly speaking, the user name is Caliga.

'caliga' was a heavy, hobnailed sandal-boot worn by Roman soldiers, an ancient equivalent of the ammunition boot.

Caligula was the childhood nickname of Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, when he was hauled around by his father on campaign. The little lad wore a miniature version of a soldier's uniform and thus got a nickname from a diminutive of 'caliga', 'caligula' - more or less 'Little Boots'.

Nobody called him that once he was emperor, of course.

Still, heavy, hobnailed boot is rather apposite.

oops. I see now what the 'edit' was .

No, DrB, I don't believe that was an off the cuff remark. I think that fucked up sentence was a direct reflection on how that poster views posters on FWR.

It was then made clear in the post :

"Isn't it? That's how I feel about posters who say they are "so concerned" about a young person who is now deceased - so concerned that they discuss them using the wrong pronoun, visit Kiwifarms and sift through old posts and images of theirs (including surgery), etc. So, so solicitous! No, you're fuelled by these things."

This post above was absolutely aimed at posters on this thread. All because posters refused to use language that obscured Griffin's sex ( which is highly relevant and important information ) and a few posters use a site that stores screenshots of people's self published content. I take it the site stores that content in easy to access ways so people can view this content without having to go and search it.

And it was a site that the poster entered the thread to make the claim that because of their own characterisation of the site that the site was 'far right'.

("It encompasses all the hate and bilge that can't be expressed on the usual sites. This hostility and ideology stems most commonly from the far right.")

All that seems rather consistent to the many posters we see who seem content to demonise and vilify others while using hyperbolic and emotionally charged language to describe people who disagree with them. But who ultimately are operating under their own rather deep prejudices about the posters on this board.

I wish that I had your optimism that it was an off the cuff remark.

But came to terms with it - puberty is hard on so many girls in particular.

I know I keep banging this drum but...

Puberty is especially traumatic for autistic girls because we:

• Have a 90% lifetime chance of at least one sexual assault because we lack the social skills to detect a predator and evade him...
• ...which becomes very relevant at puberty for most of us because most men aren't interested until a girl gets boobs.
• Cope less well with change generally, so have less ability to cope with just our own bodies changing and managing menstruation and getting used to torture contraptions bras...
• ...and on top of that, we suddenly have to deal with men and boys seeing us differently as well.

Autistic girls were massively overrepresented as Tavi referrals for a reason. Escaping womanhood was something I dreamed of when growing up and the numbers indicate that I was not alone.

Transition is not the answer.

Caligula is not a newbie round here. I don’t pay a lot of attention to user names, but this one tickles me pink under the circumstances.

I imagine the emperor as extremely inconsistent, judgemental, prone to appalling random acts of cruelty and prone to chastising other people for breathing at the wrong moment. He was a fan of unconstrained personal power - but only for himself and is remembered as an impulsive tyrant.

So whenever Caligula scolds us I smirk a little.

And what a remarkable post? Denial of being upset (while making posts claiming to be a victim of being 'patronised' and 'talked down to'), and then saying they were amused, while posting such a fucked up sentence.

Yes, exactly.

True Eresh

Sometimes, not very often, a hostile poster comes on the threads and then engages in such a way as to result in a civil conversation. I wondered if that might happen here?

so concerned that they discuss them using the wrong pronoun

1. We cannot offend a deceased person because they aren't alive to see or hear it.
2. Calling someone by the medically correct sex identifiers and matching pronouns isn't "speaking ill of the dead" because there's nothing wrong with being either female or male.
3. It's vital that we do not forget that Griffin was female. Boys and girls are socialised differently and, for girls, compliance and conformity are part of how we are conditioned. Transition doesn't undo that conditioning and that conditioning will affect how Griffin responded to the coercion she faced.
4. I consider it unlikely that Griffin's medical team mutilators treated her as the man she wanted to be. If they had, they would probably have not coerced her into medically-needless surgery.

Oh no! how did I miss that! I really have been skimming. Thanks DrB

And what a remarkable post? Denial of being upset (while making posts claiming to be a victim of being 'patronised' and 'talked down to'), and then saying they were amused, while posting such a fucked up sentence. Then the confusing edit which I also missed.

Edited to add perhaps this was said as an off the cuff defensive comment but still very upsetting.

There is really no need to make excuses for this poster. They know what they are doing.

Caliga · Today 07:14

In response to you @Helleofabore where Caliga said:

Why would I be upset? 🙄 I was amused yesterday actually at the deluge of posts I received after a few posts. It's rather like poking a dead animal and seeing hundreds of flies buzz off the carcass. (BTW: you've already said 'clearly biased'. I got it the first time.)

Edited to add perhaps this was said as an off the cuff defensive comment but still very upsetting.

Well fuck! That is grim.

Caliga posted that

Sorry DrB, but did I miss who made that comment? I think I have been skimming too much.

It is completely fucked up to have made in on this thread. Who the fuck felt that this was appropriate?

My mistake in continuing to engage. I was hoping that maybe Caliga was open to genuinely discussing concerns about preventing another tragedy or discussing the panic mothers feel when a vulnerable child raises or starts down the trans path. Perhaps that’s being naive.

It is frustrating when random posters don’t RTFT, don’t engage with genuine questions, and don’t explain their accusations. Instead, they come on to make throw away comments suggesting that concerned women and mothers are aligned with the ‘far right’. Under such conditions, an irritable tone to some posters is a reasonable response.

I, for one, am incredibly grateful for the thoughtful, informed, experienced women posting on these FWR threads. They have helped me find the language to more clearly express my concerns and provided much food for thought.

100%.

I will accept your apology if it’s honestly and genuinely proffered. I certainly found your comment: It's rather like poking a dead animal and seeing hundreds of flies buzz off the carcass utterly horrendous and could not understand why you would make it on an upsetting thread about the unnecessary and tragic death of a vulnerable young person. I thought perhaps you must be a man to make that comment, which may be a sexist thought.

As far as I can discern, no one on this thread is ‘exploiting’ Griffin’s death. No one has done anything apart from express concern on how this was possible with a view to better understanding how to prevent another death or even prevent life full of post op complications and misery. Factual information helps.

Your first post was this No. That's a classic response - "You just think it's far right because you think it's horrible". It encompasses all the hate and bilge that can't be expressed on the usual sites. This hostility and ideology stems most commonly from the far right. Sorry. to reprimand posters for mentioning KF as a source of further information. The subtext was definitely to imply posters here are far right fgs. And it may well be that KF posters discussing Griffin are despicable gloating people. If so, go reprimand them. That seems justifiable.

Thanks for the timely reminder. You are quite right.

That is assuming that we are driven by a wish to save the lives of vulnerable people rather than by a wish to play word games.