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Anyone know why the thread about the death of the young transman has been deleted

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Taytoface · 19/08/2024 09:20

Horrific story about death due to surgical complications, was reading it and poof. Anyone know what happened. This is such important information to get out there.

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Triciabuchan · 25/08/2024 05:24

Griffin was his name. I've just watched Trans Surgery Nightmare : A Shocking Turn Of Events and Death on YouTube by Buck Angel, who's a transsexual who speaks out on the Trans social contagen/mental illness scandal.

DeanElderberry · 23/08/2024 20:32

It all feeds the profits of pharma, an industry with a very efficient promotion division.

WarriorN · 23/08/2024 20:23

One of the few YouTube things I ever saw by trans identified female Jammidodger a number of years ago (possibly 2017/18) were about why they weren't getting phalloplasty - because that it's too dangerous. And doesn't work.

I truly believe some of these individuals' whole lives are via YouTube/ TikTok and they're all mirroring each other. Even the horror - the more who document it, the more normalised it becomes. The more people watch it. Filming it is a way to disassociate from the reality of the pain. The more views your films get, the more feedback youre getting. It's extreme social media contagion.

Also, Exulansic has apparently been commenting about links between opioid addiction and trans identity and has suggested operations are another gateway to more opioid use. Griffin had had an opioid addiction at some point.

timenowplease · 23/08/2024 19:44

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 23/08/2024 19:15

I’m so impressed by BuckAngel.

How many transmen must Buck Angel know??

They're saying everyone they know who've had phalloplasty surgery regrets it.

oakleaffy · 23/08/2024 19:34

ArabellaScott · 23/08/2024 19:13

It's murder. Slow murder.

The utter bastards who did this to a child.

It's heartbreaking. It's so wrong. over $600,000 for this butchery , and Griffin still had ''Surgeries to go''.

The physical and emotional pain endured must have been huge.
The people advocating tor ''Bottom surgery'' are awful.

So much goes wrong with it, and the effects are not like what a natural penis or vagina would be.

The embolisms and infections are just not worth it.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 23/08/2024 19:15

I’m so impressed by BuckAngel.

RainWithSunnySpells · 23/08/2024 19:14

Has anyone ever seen a 'dog ear' complication on a mastectomy due to cancer? RE mastectomy for cancer - I have seen several post op photos and also know people who have had this surgery IRL and not had that issue. I can't help but wonder 1, are the better surgeons not doing 'gender affirming mastectomy sugery' or 2, do the gender affirming surgeons just not give a crap about these patients?

ArabellaScott · 23/08/2024 19:13

RainWithSunnySpells · 23/08/2024 19:05

monstrous bubo on the farms (pg 1351 SRS thread) put together a timeline of Griffins posts and TikToks. Here are some heartbreaking lowlights for you. I have edited the dates to include the year.

Feb 2022. Reveals that she relapsed on opioids (including heroin) in 2020 due to hysterectomy recovery.

April 2022. 1 year post-op from phalloplasty, complications in the first year: pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis, respiratory failure, renal failure, kidney, bladder, staph, and fungal infections, internal scarring. Also got top surgery 5 years ago but still won't go out shirtless, has dog-ear complication.

June 2022. Peripheral artery angioplasty (opening up narrowed blood vessel and stent placement in leg); depressed, angry at surgical team. Urethral issues, clotting in "DVT leg", organ failure, nearly lost leg, looks absolutely depressed.

July 2022. Nerve damage, poor mental health, needs cane; "phalloplasty made me lose my body all over again when I thought it'd bring me immediate comfort."

Also July 2022. She sinks the slipper into her urologist, details her incontinence.

Oct 2022. 6+ UTIs and kidney infections in 2022, two of which led to staph infection, one led to a blood infection.

Jan 2023. Heart attack.

June 2023. Throat catheter + "a dozen infections, lupus, 5 blood transfusions, 4 more surgeries, and kidney failure".

July 2023. Internal bleeding, dialysis, losing hair.

Aug 2023. Multiple blood clots, kidney failure, autoimmune issues, has to relearn how to walk.

Buck Angel has made a youtube video on Griffin and apparently Buck has used bubo's timeline (pg 1426 SRS thread).

It's murder. Slow murder.

The utter bastards who did this to a child.

oakleaffy · 23/08/2024 19:11

timenowplease · 22/08/2024 12:13

But there are youth organisations for LGBTQ young people where Griffin lived.
Its clear you do not understand anything about this community.

Is this the type of place you meant?? Safe Homes MA

Because Griffin accused Safe Homes of allowing adult predators access to vulnerable minors (in this case, under the guise of a drag show - ironically, the very thing we are always told doesn’t happen), of looking the other way when sexual assaults occurred, and of employing a “literal child groomer'“ who was continued to be allowed to work with minors even after they were reported.

This is absolutely awful.
The creepy older men on Tick Tock, dressed like a maiden aunts with wolfish grins and a sibilant ''Hi Kidzzzzzzzzzz'' are absolutely not the sort who should be around vulnerable young people.

RainWithSunnySpells · 23/08/2024 19:05

monstrous bubo on the farms (pg 1351 SRS thread) put together a timeline of Griffins posts and TikToks. Here are some heartbreaking lowlights for you. I have edited the dates to include the year.

Feb 2022. Reveals that she relapsed on opioids (including heroin) in 2020 due to hysterectomy recovery.

April 2022. 1 year post-op from phalloplasty, complications in the first year: pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis, respiratory failure, renal failure, kidney, bladder, staph, and fungal infections, internal scarring. Also got top surgery 5 years ago but still won't go out shirtless, has dog-ear complication.

June 2022. Peripheral artery angioplasty (opening up narrowed blood vessel and stent placement in leg); depressed, angry at surgical team. Urethral issues, clotting in "DVT leg", organ failure, nearly lost leg, looks absolutely depressed.

July 2022. Nerve damage, poor mental health, needs cane; "phalloplasty made me lose my body all over again when I thought it'd bring me immediate comfort."

Also July 2022. She sinks the slipper into her urologist, details her incontinence.

Oct 2022. 6+ UTIs and kidney infections in 2022, two of which led to staph infection, one led to a blood infection.

Jan 2023. Heart attack.

June 2023. Throat catheter + "a dozen infections, lupus, 5 blood transfusions, 4 more surgeries, and kidney failure".

July 2023. Internal bleeding, dialysis, losing hair.

Aug 2023. Multiple blood clots, kidney failure, autoimmune issues, has to relearn how to walk.

Buck Angel has made a youtube video on Griffin and apparently Buck has used bubo's timeline (pg 1426 SRS thread).

oakleaffy · 23/08/2024 19:01

NecessaryScene · 22/08/2024 06:51

I haven't seen this posted - a Substack from a local campaign group summarising the story, and looking into some of the organisations involved.

https://massinformedparents.substack.com/p/a-young-woman-lost-her-life-is-the

Griffin looks such a sweet, vulnerable young person. A grotesque tragedy that Griffin was targeted by creepy men.

oakleaffy · 23/08/2024 18:56

Helleofabore · 22/08/2024 12:16

The more discussion that is being had around Griffin's medical treatment and the support Griffin had (that failed), the more details are coming to light.

This is why this discussion is so very important.

It's a dreadful case, where a vulnerable young person was brutalised medically - to what end?

It's serious surgery, fraught with issues, obviously.

Poor Griffin.

ChaChaChooey · 23/08/2024 18:10

WarriorN · 23/08/2024 07:55

Exulansic has posted a sad update, griffin lost consciousness after a second stroke and was on life support. The family decided to turn this off after a week as no brain function was detected.

Crikey, poor Griffin & family.

WTF happened to ‘first do no harm’?

RainWithSunnySpells · 23/08/2024 08:51

Yes, I believe that she is a detransitioner/desister. I don't know which term she prefers but I have read both referring to her.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 23/08/2024 08:10

RTFT last night, I feel so sorry for this poor child. Really glad the death is being spoken about as it needs to come to light to hopefully prevent other young people choosing these surgeries.

I didn't know about Exulansic before the links on this thread but she seems to expose a lot of these surgeons so I will definitely check her out. Does anyone know is she is herself detrans?

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 23/08/2024 07:57

How awful. That poor kid.

WarriorN · 23/08/2024 07:55

Exulansic has posted a sad update, griffin lost consciousness after a second stroke and was on life support. The family decided to turn this off after a week as no brain function was detected.

DrBlackbird · 22/08/2024 17:15

@ChaChaChooey that sounds like the most sensible, helpful and healthy approach to sex Ed at school. I nominate you to be in charge of developing the PSHE curriculum.

AlisonDonut · 22/08/2024 12:18

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 22/08/2024 11:13

So how do we do supportive safe spaces for young people questioning their sexuality, while keeping potential groomers out of them? I can’t work out a safe way. Do LGB kids still need school clubs? How do we safely do that without landing in the ‘adult and children discussing sex’ zone?

You can't when the people running the safe spaces are unable to risk assess based on having to facilitate lies.

Helleofabore · 22/08/2024 12:16

The more discussion that is being had around Griffin's medical treatment and the support Griffin had (that failed), the more details are coming to light.

This is why this discussion is so very important.

timenowplease · 22/08/2024 12:13

Nadeed · 20/08/2024 15:44

Just to add, at 13 years old when Griffin first said he was trans, it would have been totally inappropriate for older gay men to associate with him as suggested by poster upthread. And inappropriate for Griffin to go to bars.
But there are youth organisations for LGBTQ young people where Griffin lived.
Its clear you do not understand anything about this community.

But there are youth organisations for LGBTQ young people where Griffin lived.
Its clear you do not understand anything about this community.

Is this the type of place you meant?? Safe Homes MA

Because Griffin accused Safe Homes of allowing adult predators access to vulnerable minors (in this case, under the guise of a drag show - ironically, the very thing we are always told doesn’t happen), of looking the other way when sexual assaults occurred, and of employing a “literal child groomer'“ who was continued to be allowed to work with minors even after they were reported.

Safe Homes MA

https://safehomesma.org/

ChaChaChooey · 22/08/2024 12:00

I expect the org that was based around it has now been Queered out of usefulness by now but I’ve always thought the ‘It Gets Better’ stuff that Dan Savage was involved with 15 odd years ago seems like a healthy way to support teens with an emergent same-sex attraction.

Basically, ‘things can feel shitty when you are young because you are stuck, in your hometown, in your parent’s home, in your high school, but when you are an adult you can choose your job, where you live and who you are friends with and yes, that includes same sex relationships, from dating to marriage. Concentrate on your education for now because it’s a stepping stone to your grown up life and your current struggles with your sexual orientation will automatically be better when you are an adult’

It sympathises with the teen without encouraging them to make age gap friendships and it casts homo and bi sexual orientations as something to grow up into without shame, without minimising how hard it is for teens who are experiencing same sex attraction whilst living with homophobic or orthodox religious families and/or nasty little shits bullying you in school. It doesn’t prematurely push kids into sexuality-as-subculture or gender-as-subculture in extra curricular clubs and it doesn’t make kids vulnerable to predatory adults.

At the same time schools need a no-tolerance policy for bullying AND a wide choice of activity clubs so that kids who feel isolated can bond over chess or figurine painting or rock music appreciation as well as more typical sports clubs.

And same sex relationship material should be taught at the same time as opposite sex relationships material in a matter-of-fact way, so ‘some families have two mummies’ in primary and then when teaching contraception and STD avoidance at secondary school, same sex STD risk should be included.
And then if any kids make disparaging comments (and let’s face it, they often do) teachers should respond with reminders that under the rule of law in the same sex relationships are equal to opposite sex relationships, regardless of what person x thinks about it or religion y teaches about it.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 22/08/2024 11:13

So how do we do supportive safe spaces for young people questioning their sexuality, while keeping potential groomers out of them? I can’t work out a safe way. Do LGB kids still need school clubs? How do we safely do that without landing in the ‘adult and children discussing sex’ zone?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/08/2024 09:41

Griffin’s words about adult male predators in these groups meant to support young people echoes those of Benji’s in Canada. And we know of those such as Stephen Ireland over here in the UK.

The lack of safeguarding is really stark and a major issue.

Yes, it's important to always be wary when people suggest that safeguarding rules should be relaxed at any time.

Helleofabore · 22/08/2024 09:38

‘Griffin received her “gender affirming care” in MA, and the doctor who performed her phalloplasty is still performing this surgery on other young people’.

This is also hugely concerning.

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