Israel society debates the right to rape

I think it should. There is a discussion to be had that it’s not even a contentious issue when female detainees have been and are currently being raped, it’s carry on soldier, but rape boys and ummm we are going to have to arrest you.

From the point of view of the rapists amongst the soldiery, since it is ok to rape females why are you arresting me for raping a boy? That’s homophobic! If I have the right to rape girls and women like we have done for decades with impunity, I should also have the right to rape boys.

There is a feminist angle to the selective outrage over raping boys but silence over raping girls and women.

Yes it is a feminist issue because they’ve been doing it to female detainees as much as the teenage boy ones, like this 16yr old boy critically injured through gang rape with penises and a stick.

Israeli prison guards/soldiers were using sticks to forcibly rape female Palestinians since the 1960s:
“Odeh, who was arrested in 1969 at the age of 19, reported that during her interrogation, she was beaten with wooden sticks and metal bars, and was left naked in a blatant violation of her sexuality.
Odeh was sexually tortured with electric shocks. Wires were attached to her genitals, breasts, abdomen, arms, and legs, and in that disoriented state, she was raped with a stick while her father was forced to watch.
The testimony of another female Palestinian prisoner appears in a book chapter by Tamar Mayer: “They [Israeli interrogators] beat me with a stick…on my stomach…[T]hen one day, they told me to take my clothes off […] I was shaking. A dark big ugly man came in with a stick and I knew he was going to rape me with it […] all eight interrogators came in, to fondle me, laugh at me, touch my breasts. I was so ashamed.”
https://mondoweiss.net/2022/08/how-colonizers-weaponize-rape-reflections-from-the-palestinian-case/

I think the sad thing is that there hasn’t even been a discussion of legality of rape until it was exposed that it had happened to a 16yr old boy when female Palestinian prisoners have been systematically raped since the country existed.

I dunno, if the nature of this war is your band of brothers will publicly rape a prisoner as a way of torturing him and everyone else lying there wondering if they will be next, and that is “permisssble” then you have a lot of war-affected rapists going back into society which won’t end well for the women and children around them.

I'd be cautious of what Al Jazeera have to say about Israel

"violations of the laws of war that amount to war crimes, including attacks targeting civilians and civilian objects; willful killing of people in custody; cruel and other inhumane treatment; crimes involving sexual and gender-based violence; hostage-taking; mutilation and despoiling bodies; use of human shields; and pillage and looting." October 7 Crimes Against Humanity, War Crimes by Hamas-led Groups | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)
These things are wrong whoever does them; unfortunately, it's hard to find a conflict in which they are not carried out by men on both sides.

Male violence is a worldwide problem, including male violence against each other - I hope men have set up an equivalent of FWR where they can discuss how to be less violent.

I wish men against male violence well with their discussions, but we have enough on our plate on this thread..

Did Israel not understand the Geneva Convention when they signed it?

So many civilians on both sides are suffering and it’s going to get much worse, I fear.

It’s terrifying, like watching Bosnia/Herzegovena unfold in the 90s only-this-time-with-nukes-and-links-to-superpowers.

Dear god what did I just read?

Rape of prisoners is acceptable and what we need to do is find out who filmed and shared it because they're making us look bad.

I have no words.

This is beyond horrendous, I read as far as the rape bit, but couldn't go any further. However, I don't think this post should be on FWR because it is not primarily about women. It's about male violence, yes, but that's not the same thing.

But until a year ago not a huge feature of the Israel-Palestine conflict. 🙁

I don't believe it's been legally recognised. I believe they are finding justification for it saying anything is acceptable to defend Israel. Torture and sexual violence is against the Geneva Convention and international human rights law.

It’s clearly appalling.

But rape is well established as a war crime - so it’s not actually surprising, grim though that is to write.

I think the people who are looking for justification for this barbarity are part of a genocidal mind set whereupon Palestinians have been systematically dehumanised.

They no longer see Palestinians as human beings deserving of respect or basic humanity. For years Palestinians have been reduced to animals and relegated as sub human. This is the natural consequence.

This is horrifying

yes, it is a feminist issue, even if most of the victims are male. This is the perpetuation of a culture of men using sex or sex like acts as
violence. The primary focus should be on their direct victims, but we should also acknowledge that the men who perpetuated these crimes and the people who endorsed them are going home to their families.

So... there is a proposal before the state legislature in Israel to decriminalise rape? Or in the hell which is war, have some people said hateful things and attempted to defend the indefensible?
The title and the content are a mismatch.

I should like to think it's a humanitarian issue. No stratification necessary.

Plainly I'm wrong.

I just cannot believe what I read.

Just devastating.