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Melbourne - women's rights rally disrupted by trans rights activists

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ArabellaScott · 17/08/2024 10:38

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/transgender-liberation-protesters-disrupt-womens-rights-rally-in-melbourne/news-story/081e824a3c2b6c5cefcb0b9204966a2e

I hope all the women are okay.

Astonishingly the reporting so far seems quite neutral and even handed.

Trans chaos hits ‘women will speak’ rally

A women’s rights gathering collapsed into chaos on Saturday afternoon after some counter Transgender Liberation protesters swarmed the rally and threw eggs and water balloons at speakers.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/transgender-liberation-protesters-disrupt-womens-rights-rally-in-melbourne/news-story/081e824a3c2b6c5cefcb0b9204966a2e

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llamajohn · 17/08/2024 16:43

Christinapple · 17/08/2024 16:42

What I said is correct, the entire point of the rally is anti-trans. This is why there was a counter-protest.

Similar to when Kelly-Jay Keen went to NZ (in an attempt) to have an anti-trans rally I believe.

Women are women. Men in skirts are men in skirts.

Christinapple · 17/08/2024 16:42

GailBlancheViola · 17/08/2024 16:35

Nope. Women's Rights Rally.

As for the other part of your post be better if you waited for the facts before you pronounce judgement otherwise you may well end up looking rather silly.

What I said is correct, the entire point of the rally is anti-trans. This is why there was a counter-protest.

Similar to when Kelly-Jay Keen went to NZ (in an attempt) to have an anti-trans rally I believe.

llamajohn · 17/08/2024 16:41

What a surprise, men being violent? I'm so shocked.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 17/08/2024 16:38

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 17/08/2024 12:08

The organiser of the women’s protest is Māori. Not a group popular with fascists.

Who was that interesting Māori woman who encountered all sorts of difficulties and a mass of ostracism | resistance around the time of Laurel Hubbard? Anyone recall?

The Māori women I failed to recall earlier.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4363787-Maori-GC-women-speaking-out-on-YT

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4363787-Maori-GC-women-speaking-out-on-YT

EsmaCannonball · 17/08/2024 16:36

Carceral feminism = you'll be reading about a good three-quarters of this lot in some future nonce-related arrest news.

GailBlancheViola · 17/08/2024 16:35

Christinapple · 17/08/2024 16:09

"women's rights rally"

You mean "anti-trans rally".

Interestingly, the only person arrested for violence was a woman although the article doesn't make it clear what "side" she was on.

“A 36-year-old Brunswick woman was arrested at the scene for allegedly assaulting police."

Nope. Women's Rights Rally.

As for the other part of your post be better if you waited for the facts before you pronounce judgement otherwise you may well end up looking rather silly.

ApocalipstickNow · 17/08/2024 16:27

We don’t know what sort of woman it was, Chris, a man woman or a woman woman so hold your scolding until you’re sure it’s not one you can hand wave away, eh?

Omlettes · 17/08/2024 16:24

Christinapple · 17/08/2024 16:09

"women's rights rally"

You mean "anti-trans rally".

Interestingly, the only person arrested for violence was a woman although the article doesn't make it clear what "side" she was on.

“A 36-year-old Brunswick woman was arrested at the scene for allegedly assaulting police."

And you and everyone else knows perfectly well why its called a woman, and that all the violence, threats and harrassment comes from tras. They are now notorious for it.

Afterall thats what this whole American fad is built on - forcing lies.

There was a time Aussies prided themselves on standing strong against American indoctrination, but no more, now they bend over and take it like lapdogs.
Australias greatest weakness, the desperate need to be liked by the other kids who ignore them.

Christinapple · 17/08/2024 16:09

"women's rights rally"

You mean "anti-trans rally".

Interestingly, the only person arrested for violence was a woman although the article doesn't make it clear what "side" she was on.

“A 36-year-old Brunswick woman was arrested at the scene for allegedly assaulting police."

Snowypeaks · 17/08/2024 15:56

"Imaginary violence is violence and deserves to be met with actual violence" is the vibe. Admittedly less snappy than their slogan but on the other hand, much closer to the truth.

Omlettes · 17/08/2024 15:54

ScrollingLeaves · 17/08/2024 12:25

A 36-year-old Brunswick woman was arrested at the scene for allegedly assaulting police.

A woman? I wonder if that is true?

Almost certainly not

Omlettes · 17/08/2024 15:53

ArabellaScott · 17/08/2024 10:38

That poster "Queers bash back" makes me incandescent
No woman has ever bashed a man over this issue, but men bash women every 6 minutes in Victoria.
The tasteless hypocrisy and hideous misogyny is eyewatering.
The misogyny in Australia is eyewatering, nearly as bad as NZ
And the 'progressive' men are nightmarish in their fraudulence.

I lived there many many years and I can attest that scratch the surface and its still like the film "Wake in Fright'

www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/one-call-every-six-minutes-family-violence-statistics-the-biggest-concern-for-police-20240615-p5jm25.html

TheSandgroper · 17/08/2024 15:33

And the ABC hasn’t mentioned it at all.

ahjeez · 17/08/2024 15:23

I feel that some groups, notably trans activists, seem to solely speak in slogans. Can't help but imagine that's how they speak in every day life.

Ordering a coffee? "Skinny decaf latte now!"
Buying groceries? "Sourdrough bread is bread!"

Snowypeaks · 17/08/2024 14:52

learieonthewildmoor · 17/08/2024 14:27

The footage on the news showed young men all in black, wearing masks - although one was wearing a pair of carpentry goggles instead - going absolutely ape shit. It was appalling. The segment reported that the disruptors were blasting music and playing instruments to drown the speakers out. There were young children there - looking very unhappy- wearing face paint and playing drums. Who on earth would bring children to a protest like that?
The organising women got short sound bites and were calm, collected and pointed: an amazing contrast with the flailing, screaming protestors on the other side.
After the shit show that was the reporting on KJK’s rally, Monica Deeming and the other women got to work on the media; and after a few legal threats for defamation and a bit of networking, we now have reporting that accurately describes what happened. Except for describing the person arrested as a woman: it took six coppers to subdue that person.

Thanks and good to know that some of the media at least have responded positively to representations.

And the "woman" has turned out to be a man, have they? Quelle surprise!

NitroNine · 17/08/2024 14:27

It’s quite remarkable that “you want rapists & murderers imprisoned” is now a justification for attacking women & calling them fascists.

Yet again, if you’re trying to push back against the spectre of your movement containing a disproportionate amount of sex offenders - according to prison stats from around the globe where they’ve not been deliberately obfuscated - & the narrative that you’re trying to erode children’s boundaries via eg fetish wear at Pride; drag shows aimed at children but not suitable for them^ (Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey springs immediately to mind); & PSHE courses that teach about sex acts in great detail… arguing against the incarceration of sex offenders is not a good look.

Doubtless for the vast majority it is just another mindless application of “Right Side Of History” - but for some people it will absolutely suit them down to the ground to argue that rapists shouldn’t be imprisoned. That committing CSA shouldn’t see you banged up. That it is positively fascist to suggest otherwise.

In Australia there’s a valid discussion to be had about the over-representation of Māori people & Torres Strait Islanders in the prison population. It’s a huge issue, with some parallels to the vast levels of over-incarceration of black people in the US. But in neither place have women built nor shaped the systems involved, nor do they now, to any significant degree, control them.

^arguably drag is inherently unsuitable for children, yes, but certainly one could create a show & indeed persona that was more suitable for minors

learieonthewildmoor · 17/08/2024 14:27

The footage on the news showed young men all in black, wearing masks - although one was wearing a pair of carpentry goggles instead - going absolutely ape shit. It was appalling. The segment reported that the disruptors were blasting music and playing instruments to drown the speakers out. There were young children there - looking very unhappy- wearing face paint and playing drums. Who on earth would bring children to a protest like that?
The organising women got short sound bites and were calm, collected and pointed: an amazing contrast with the flailing, screaming protestors on the other side.
After the shit show that was the reporting on KJK’s rally, Monica Deeming and the other women got to work on the media; and after a few legal threats for defamation and a bit of networking, we now have reporting that accurately describes what happened. Except for describing the person arrested as a woman: it took six coppers to subdue that person.

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DeanElderberry · 17/08/2024 12:41

Or modern Putin-land.

Igmum · 17/08/2024 12:27

@MarieDeGournay defenestrated? Now there's a headline from 1848...

ScrollingLeaves · 17/08/2024 12:25

ArabellaScott · 17/08/2024 10:38

A 36-year-old Brunswick woman was arrested at the scene for allegedly assaulting police.

A woman? I wonder if that is true?

DeanElderberry · 17/08/2024 12:25

'Carceral' was quite the buzz word back when all the anti-policing protests were happening in the USA - how many years back? The issues around the prison system and race in America are worth analysing and criticising, but not caused by feminists, and of limited relevance in Europe or, I suspect, Oceania, and using them to argue for no enforcement of the rule of law in any circumstances was always bonkers.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 17/08/2024 12:08

The organiser of the women’s protest is Māori. Not a group popular with fascists.

Who was that interesting Māori woman who encountered all sorts of difficulties and a mass of ostracism | resistance around the time of Laurel Hubbard? Anyone recall?

NitroNine · 17/08/2024 11:54

The organiser of the women’s protest is Māori. Not a group popular with fascists.

She’s an academic, & author of - amongst other things - Pre-Colonial Māori Culture Had No Diverse Gender Identities.

Really hope all the women involved are ok - & am guessing the woman nicked was not the old-fashioned variety, but the police of course give the gender ID not the sex & thus that’s reported 🙄