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Taiwan Tries to Silence Fair Play For Women

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mb2512cat · 16/08/2024 22:05

Fair Play For Women has been approached by the Taiwan embassy in the UK to remove their posts describing Olympic boxer Lin Yu-ting as ‘male’.

Dear God, they just need to show us the karyotype results with ‘XX’ and this all goes away.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2024/08/16/taiwan-womens-right-campaigners-gender-row-boxer/

https://x.com/fairplaywomen/status/1824478183422402569?s=46&t=WBUCdrv9BwgG-lsI3-uNuQ

Taiwan attempts to silence UK women’s right campaigners in Olympics gender row

Exclusive: Criticism aimed after asking activists to delete posts referring to gold medallists Lin and Khelif as ‘biologically male’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2024/08/16/taiwan-womens-right-campaigners-gender-row-boxer

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 16/08/2024 23:38

CautiousLurker · 16/08/2024 23:01

It’s not libellous if it is true, though? Based on the evidence provided by the IBA and the coach’s own testimony in his interview it is true that IK is biologically male due XY chromosomes and T levels. The onus, in the face of this, would be upon IK to disprove the evidence being put forward… ie to supply DBA/medical evidence to the contrary.

The IBA did not test T levels, they have never disclosed the one independent laboratory that gave them a result where only one data point was not met.

The disqualification was stated to be due to an undisclosed “competitive advantage”
https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/

The XY bit is speculation & the coach and IOC have said “born as a woman, raised as a woman….”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlr8gp813ko

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 16/08/2024 23:32

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 16/08/2024 23:26

It is injurious to her athletic career and reputation as it implicitly alleges cheating by lying about her sex.

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More so than the non-contested IBA findings?

It will be interested if the Taiwanese govt. launches an action against IBA in re: the testing results or their recent press conference.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 16/08/2024 23:26

BlackForestCake · 16/08/2024 23:22

Don't talk shite. Being a man isn't libellous even if were to turn out he isn't one.

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It is injurious to her athletic career and reputation as it implicitly alleges cheating by lying about her sex.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 16/08/2024 23:22

mb2512cat · 16/08/2024 22:05

Fair Play For Women has been approached by the Taiwan embassy in the UK to remove their posts describing Olympic boxer Lin Yu-ting as ‘male’.

Dear God, they just need to show us the karyotype results with ‘XX’ and this all goes away.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2024/08/16/taiwan-womens-right-campaigners-gender-row-boxer/

https://x.com/fairplaywomen/status/1824478183422402569?s=46&t=WBUCdrv9BwgG-lsI3-uNuQ

Archive version of Telegraph piece: https://archive.is/Evy4K

BlackForestCake · 16/08/2024 23:22

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 16/08/2024 22:39

Unless Fair Play have a DNA test showing XY, they are engaging in libellous speculation. The request is the required cease and desist step prior to filing a suit for libel. Hope Fair Play has deep pockets.

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Don't talk shite. Being a man isn't libellous even if were to turn out he isn't one.

Trox · 16/08/2024 23:08

If only there were a quick and easy way to clarify the confusion.

CautiousLurker · 16/08/2024 23:01

It’s not libellous if it is true, though? Based on the evidence provided by the IBA and the coach’s own testimony in his interview it is true that IK is biologically male due XY chromosomes and T levels. The onus, in the face of this, would be upon IK to disprove the evidence being put forward… ie to supply DBA/medical evidence to the contrary.

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 16/08/2024 22:56

Arkel v Pressdram 😁

JanesLittleGirl · 16/08/2024 22:53

I think that the appropriate response by FPfW would be ODFOD

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 16/08/2024 22:39

Unless Fair Play have a DNA test showing XY, they are engaging in libellous speculation. The request is the required cease and desist step prior to filing a suit for libel. Hope Fair Play has deep pockets.

itsmylife7 · 16/08/2024 22:33

His Adams apple is one of the biggest I've ever seen.

Leafstamp · 16/08/2024 22:30

PaterPower · 16/08/2024 22:13

Yu-Ting doesn’t even have the excuse of having been born in a rural region of a (by Taiwan’s standards) poor country like IK.

I’d be very… surprised… if he’d not had a DNA test / scans when his puberty wasn’t a female-standard one.

He seems to have dodged a lot of the scrutiny that IK’s been subjected to, at least in the UK press, so I’m not sure the embassy’s done him any favours by making this request.

Good point - the Streisand effect.

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mb2512cat · 16/08/2024 22:26

CautiousLurker · 16/08/2024 22:17

Hmmm. I’d swear there was a hint of 5 o/c stubble on that upper lip…

He has an obvious Adam’s apple 🤷‍♀️. It’s all about making women too afraid to speak out. “If we can’t get them to believe he’s a fellow female, then we just bully and coerce them into submission. We have hundreds of years of experience of doing so.”

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Snowypeaks · 16/08/2024 22:24

I hope FPfW are getting support from the British government. Seems like bullying for the Taiwanese embassy to directly target them.

CautiousLurker · 16/08/2024 22:17

Hmmm. I’d swear there was a hint of 5 o/c stubble on that upper lip…

PaterPower · 16/08/2024 22:13

Yu-Ting doesn’t even have the excuse of having been born in a rural region of a (by Taiwan’s standards) poor country like IK.

I’d be very… surprised… if he’d not had a DNA test / scans when his puberty wasn’t a female-standard one.

He seems to have dodged a lot of the scrutiny that IK’s been subjected to, at least in the UK press, so I’m not sure the embassy’s done him any favours by making this request.