Taiwan Tries to Silence Fair Play For Women

The eligibility criteria is to be female surely

so they failed to meet it…therefore not female

would that not be right?

IBA also said
”The IBA claimed they failed “to meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors.”

Which means that the boxers were still found to be female, not male, as far as the IBA was concerned.

No, it does not show that they were found to be female. They were found to have XY chromosomes. That is not female.

Still waiting for the evidence that the IOC overturned the results.

See NotBadConsidering's post above yours.

I don't know why you're arguing about the results anyway since the boxers accepted them.

See NotBadConsidering's post above yours.

I don't know why you're arguing about the results anyway since the boxers accepted them.

Again the tests were “unspecified” in every source I have seen and posted. Unless you have a trustworthy source stating these were chromosomal tests you need to qualify your statements to indicate this is speculation.

IBA also said
”The IBA claimed they failed “to meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors.”

Which means that the boxers were still found to be female, not male, as far as the IBA was concerned.

Except it was disclosed by the now banned IBA that the dodgy lab they used did not test testosterone levels.

In addition, shitty labs don’t need an incentive to have shitty tests with bad results. They can just be shitty at their job.

These two boxers have passed every other accredited gender test btw, it’s not like they have repeatedly failed test after test from all labs.

I am not “stripping women of their right to their own sporting contests” I am questioning the wierd belief that one shitty test commissioned by a banned organisation that has been overturned by the IOC who investigated it and called it flawed is being given credence over all the other tests that these boxers psssed.

It’s like you take five pregancy tests and only one says negative and then you go round thinking you aren’t pregnant because of one shitty test that obviously didn’t work the way it was supposed to. It’s ridiculous and all the vitriol aimed at these women is harmful and is only perpetuating stereotypes of femininity what with all the “oooh I think I see an Adam’s Apple” and comments about how manly these women look.

The IOC did not overturn the chromosomal tests, they regarded them as irrelevant because their criteria for eligibility to compete in the female category do not exclude males.

The tests have been leaked so we know that they were chromosomal tests. Both boxers were tested in 2022 and found to be male. They were tested again in 2023 and the results were exactly the same.

How could the IOC "overturn" the results of chromosomal tests without doing any chromosomal tests?

^International Olympic Committee spokesman Mark Adams again vigorously defended Khelif of Algeria and Lin of Taiwan, hammering the sport’s now-banned governing body, the International Boxing Association, that claimed the fighters failed unspecified eligibility tests for women’s competition.”
apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-imane-khelif-lin-yuting-boxing-13e9529195585404c7b03c96f97dd634^

But he doesn't say why these tests were 'legitimate'. And the word legimitate is such a strange choice, he doesn't say wrong or incorrect or false, but not legimitate. Why not? And why use 'carted off and tested', that is strong emotional language?

He says the process is flawed but then he is talking about how and when the tests were done and how the test results were shared, but nowhere does he say the tests themselves or the results were wrong. Not once. Very very clever use of language.

The sentence that infuriates me though is Some want to own a definition of who is a women.” Yes, if you want a restricted category, you need to define the criteria and no, that is not 'who have been raised as women, who have a passport as a woman and have competed for many years as women'

The dude is just one massive biological sex denier.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · Today 10:06

Except it was disclosed by the now banned IBA that the dodgy lab they used did not test testosterone levels.

Dodgy labs? What proof do you have that they were dodgy? They're fully accredited by the ISO and approved by the IOC.

The IOC haven't overturned the results, they don't have the wherewithal to do so. They've simply ignored them.

A cheek swab is much less invasive than a blood test. And it has already been done on Lin - twice.

The IOC did not do a chromosome test, which is what the IBA did (at two separate accredited labs, by the way, not one). Thus they cannot have overturned the result of the tests done at the behest of the IBA.

If you say the IOC did a chromosome test which "overturned" the lab tests, where are the results? Or where is the clip or news report of any official from the IOC saying that they did a chromosomal test and have a different result?

The IOC explicitly said that their criterion for eligibility for the female category was the sex marker on legal documents.

Who is they? Because it is up to those calling her a man to prove she is a man.
How are the U.K. fair play for women going to get a cheek swab from an athlete now back in Taiwan?

That’s not true about the IOC. They are fine with non-invasive testing of athletes to prevent unfair competitive advantages due to sex- ie blood tests are ok.

stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Beyond-the-Games/Human-Rights/IOC-Framework-Fairness-Inclusion-Non-discrimination-2021.pdf

It only libel if it is not true. All they have to do is take a cheek swab test. They haven't and they won't and that tells me all I need to know.
The IOC doesn't believe in sex testing preferring to rely on the F marker in a passport. You are in clown world.

Yes the test itself was discredited and overturned by the IOC.
What world are you in that you don’t understand this?

Except it was disclosed by the now banned IBA that the dodgy lab they used did not test testosterone levels.

In addition, shitty labs don’t need an incentive to have shitty tests with bad results. They can just be shitty at their job.

These two boxers have passed every other accredited gender test btw, it’s not like they have repeatedly failed test after test from all labs.

I am not “stripping women of their right to their own sporting contests” I am questioning the wierd belief that one shitty test commissioned by a banned organisation that has been overturned by the IOC who investigated it and called it flawed is being given credence over all the other tests that these boxers psssed.

It’s like you take five pregancy tests and only one says negative and then you go round thinking you aren’t pregnant because of one shitty test that obviously didn’t work the way it was supposed to. It’s ridiculous and all the vitriol aimed at these women is harmful and is only perpetuating stereotypes of femininity what with all the “oooh I think I see an Adam’s Apple” and comments about how manly these women look.

So the evidence was not discredited, then.

How can you "overturn" a test? Without repeating the test to see if you get different results?