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Imane Khelif

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LHayday · 14/08/2024 20:07

Just reading the thread on here for the first time. What I fail to understand is why so many contributors are so desperate for her to be a man. Someone who has lived their entire life as a woman. Beggars belief.

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MarieDeGournay · 21/08/2024 10:21

ScoldsBridle · 21/08/2024 10:07

Oh yes that is fabulous! I’m going to use that - the fact it also functions in a Cockney rhyming slang way is brilliant. Who said it originally on the thread?

That would be moi - note I said dragging anchor, not dredging anchor, the first is negative, the second is an intentional controlled action. I thought you'd like to know that detail.
Now can I lead you all in a rousing chorus of 'Oh she had a lovely naval uniform'Grin
[BTW I don't actually have a naval uniform of any kind, I'm not a sailor, I just collect words and concepts the way other people collect... whatever people collect these days.]

ScrollingLeaves · 21/08/2024 10:19

Gnashbee · 21/08/2024 09:28

I think we're well past having to argue this when JK is calling trans women blokes, denying the Holocaust, and supporting people who say they want trans people sterilised. The fact she's currently busy deleting her tweets calling an Olympic-gold-medal-winning woman a man should show you even she knows she's gone wrong somewhere.

supporting people who say they want trans people sterilised

Of a boy is taken by his mother abroad to be castrated because she believes he should look more like a girl in accordance with her belief that he is a girl, and then he is given female hormones, do you not think that is sterilising him?

Please send links to your allegations about JKR.

Helleofabore · 21/08/2024 10:17

quantumbutterfly · 21/08/2024 10:14

We do also have ⚓a lovely blue anchor for some visual rhyming slang.

sweeeetttt.... I love the idea.

borntobequiet · 21/08/2024 10:16

an actual man with XX genes

Isn’t a thing.

quantumbutterfly · 21/08/2024 10:14

We do also have ⚓a lovely blue anchor for some visual rhyming slang.

ScoldsBridle · 21/08/2024 10:07

Helleofabore · 21/08/2024 09:28

A dragging anchor? I love that I can learn so much on FWR.

Oh yes that is fabulous! I’m going to use that - the fact it also functions in a Cockney rhyming slang way is brilliant. Who said it originally on the thread?

illinivich · 21/08/2024 10:01

There are a lot of people who can't define what a woman is, let alone imagine there are ways to determine sex, yet believe theres a need for womens sports categories.

Its back to we dont know what a woman is, but he definitely is a woman.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/08/2024 09:56

Ah yes, him. Thank you!

Helleofabore · 21/08/2024 09:56

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/08/2024 09:48

Or is this like Marsh declaring that she is off Twitter because she is ‘scared’ of the investigation

Sorry @Helleofabore who is Marsh? I went out last night and my brain is not fully awake yet!

The fragrant Jeffrey.

Released a video saying JK was scared and that is why she is not tweeting at the moment. Errr. No. Marsh… She indicated she was going on holiday.

Shortshriftandlethal · 21/08/2024 09:52

Gnashbee · 21/08/2024 09:10

Even if you're fully on board with JKR and hate trans woman, it seems like a very bad idea to rely so heavily on chromosome tests to decide someone's gender, as it throws up a whole array of other issues if we have to use test-tubes to decide if someone's a man or a woman. I don't know if such a condition exists, but what happens when an actual man with XX genes decides to compete against women? What basis would anyone have to say he shouldn't?

Plus, how would anyone know their own gender for sure until it was tested?
Even apart from woman's sports, it seems to me that any random woman could have some previously unknown condition that meant she had XY genes, that still wouldn't make her a man.

You cannot do a test for what is in someone's imagination......which is where the concept of gender lives. Chromosomes tests are the foolproof method for determining sex.

I'm not sure you are being entirely genuine with this post, as it displays so much obvious confusuion as to be almost a parody.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 21/08/2024 09:51

Transwomen are blokes so i will give you that one…

RufustheFactualReindeer · 21/08/2024 09:50

I mean you are actually chatting shit but i do like to be fair

RufustheFactualReindeer · 21/08/2024 09:49

Gnashbee · 21/08/2024 09:28

I think we're well past having to argue this when JK is calling trans women blokes, denying the Holocaust, and supporting people who say they want trans people sterilised. The fact she's currently busy deleting her tweets calling an Olympic-gold-medal-winning woman a man should show you even she knows she's gone wrong somewhere.

Proof or you are chatting shit

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/08/2024 09:48

Or is this like Marsh declaring that she is off Twitter because she is ‘scared’ of the investigation

Sorry @Helleofabore who is Marsh? I went out last night and my brain is not fully awake yet!

Helleofabore · 21/08/2024 09:45

I am rather intrigued now as to where the misinformation that Joanne Rowling was deleting her tweets has come from. Because it is so clearly very easy to check, yet someone just accused her of this.

Or is this like Marsh declaring that she is off Twitter because she is ‘scared’ of the investigation when she had indicated that she was going on holiday? FFS, some
people really don’t seem to be able to sort falsehoods from truth.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 21/08/2024 09:44

AncientAndModern1 · 20/08/2024 11:42

An easily disproval libel such as a billionaire accusing a female athlete of being biologically male would be the dream retirement scenario. Better than a lottery win. And IK has already had tests done at a major Paris hospital that would be acceptable proof in any court. Handy!

Absolutely!

for the absence of doubt i would be as happy as larry if she called me a man on twitter!

i could really do with a large sum of money…mainly to prove that i will not be affected by riches

(i will absolutely be affected, i would make an awful rich person)

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/08/2024 09:42

Always the same handful of accusations isn't it? It's so obvious this stuff is coming from genderist echo chambers not reading a variety of sources and perspectives followed by first person thinking, assessing, cross-examination and drawing ones own conclusions.

Helleofabore · 21/08/2024 09:39

Gnashbee · 21/08/2024 09:28

I think we're well past having to argue this when JK is calling trans women blokes, denying the Holocaust, and supporting people who say they want trans people sterilised. The fact she's currently busy deleting her tweets calling an Olympic-gold-medal-winning woman a man should show you even she knows she's gone wrong somewhere.

“The fact she's currently busy deleting her tweets calling an Olympic-gold-medal-winning woman a man should show you even she knows she's gone wrong somewhere.”

No tweets deleted from her timeline on this topic. I just checked. They are all still there.

Where the fuck did you get that bit of falsity?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/08/2024 09:39

Please do post the evidence of the denials of the Holocaust? And that she supports people who want anyone sterilised?

It's just bad faith twisting of words.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/08/2024 09:38

Plus, how would anyone know their own gender for sure until it was tested?

You can't test for "gender". You test for sex.

Helleofabore · 21/08/2024 09:36

Gnashbee · 21/08/2024 09:28

I think we're well past having to argue this when JK is calling trans women blokes, denying the Holocaust, and supporting people who say they want trans people sterilised. The fact she's currently busy deleting her tweets calling an Olympic-gold-medal-winning woman a man should show you even she knows she's gone wrong somewhere.

She uses the sex based language for male people, and particularly for those who abuse her.

Do you believe a woman is allowed to use accurate sex based language to discuss her abuse and her abusers? Or do you support the abusers and their rights to coercively control what language the women they abuse use?

Please do post the evidence of the denials of the Holocaust? And that she supports people who want anyone sterilised?

theilltemperedclavecinist · 21/08/2024 09:33

Gnashbee · 21/08/2024 09:28

I think we're well past having to argue this when JK is calling trans women blokes, denying the Holocaust, and supporting people who say they want trans people sterilised. The fact she's currently busy deleting her tweets calling an Olympic-gold-medal-winning woman a man should show you even she knows she's gone wrong somewhere.

You do know that medical transitioning destroys fertility, right?

TheKeatingFive · 21/08/2024 09:32

Gnashbee · 21/08/2024 09:28

I think we're well past having to argue this when JK is calling trans women blokes, denying the Holocaust, and supporting people who say they want trans people sterilised. The fact she's currently busy deleting her tweets calling an Olympic-gold-medal-winning woman a man should show you even she knows she's gone wrong somewhere.

Well firstly 'transwomen' are men. Basic statement of fact. T

Secondly, no she's not a holocaust denier, don't be an imbecile.

Thirdly, what? Sterilise who?

Don't come on here and talk nonsense. You'll do much better. Like we by

Gnashbee · 21/08/2024 09:28

quantumbutterfly · 21/08/2024 09:19

Have you read JKR's posts? Which one said she hated trans women? Or did someone tell you she's a transphobe and you thought 'that's good enough for me'?

Then again, you've commented here without parsing the reams of previous debates, or even rtft.

I think we're well past having to argue this when JK is calling trans women blokes, denying the Holocaust, and supporting people who say they want trans people sterilised. The fact she's currently busy deleting her tweets calling an Olympic-gold-medal-winning woman a man should show you even she knows she's gone wrong somewhere.

Helleofabore · 21/08/2024 09:28

A dragging anchor? I love that I can learn so much on FWR.