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LHayday · 2024-08-14T19:07:26+00:00

Just reading the thread on here for the first time. What I fail to understand is why so many contributors are so desperate for her to be a man. Someone who has lived their entire life as a woman. Beggars belief.

CorvusPurpureus · 14/08/2024 21:43

Msmbc · 14/08/2024 21:41

You can completely agree both that there needs to be sensible sex eligibility rules in sport and that the way you lot are speaking about IK and in fact how you typically speak about trans people generally is horrible, disgusting bullying. I do.

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IK isn't trans.

WickedSerious · 14/08/2024 21:43

Floisme · 14/08/2024 20:17

If only there was a way of proving Imane's sex.

It's a bugger isn't it?

CorvusPurpureus · 14/08/2024 21:42

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You might start by taking a simple cheek swab test to demonstrate that you're female, mightn't you?

Rather than by declining to appeal the result of precisely that test showing - at least twice - that you were in fact, male.

JaneJeffer · 14/08/2024 21:41

I have never heard any woman saying they have lived their life as a woman

Msmbc · 14/08/2024 21:41

NecessaryScene · 14/08/2024 20:55

I do sometimes wonder whether the "you're horrible bullies" lot would EVER object to a man boxing a woman.

Is it that this case is somehow not clear-cut enough, so they are seizing onto a sliver of doubt that lets them retain their shred of "my tribe good" belief?

Is it actually possible for them to ever object to a man boxing a woman, or would they always find some way to justify it - "my side is supporting it, so there must be a reason for it"....

You can completely agree both that there needs to be sensible sex eligibility rules in sport and that the way you lot are speaking about IK and in fact how you typically speak about trans people generally is horrible, disgusting bullying. I do.

NewGreenDuck · 14/08/2024 21:41

I think a person who has just won a gold medal in boxing really doesn't need protecting. What they do need to do is actually take a DNA test, because this will run and run. And if this boxer is going to sue X ( formerly Twitter) then I hope they have to prove by that means their actual biological sex. Because telling the truth is not libel.

suggestionsplease1 · 14/08/2024 21:40

Helleofabore · 14/08/2024 21:38

What false logic am I using?

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You have extrapolated an incorrect conclusion from my premises.

You should be able to grasp that from my previous post.

If you are unable to, I don't think I can help you further.

viques · 14/08/2024 21:40

Newsenmum · 14/08/2024 21:17

I’m pretty sure she had no idea she was ‘male’. She was born with a vulva/vagina and and went through normal female puberty and was obviously very good at her sport. It’s possible some ‘non traditional’ women on here might not realise they are xy. Are you now men?

Are you saying Khelif menstruates , has developed breasts and a female body shape with wider hips? Because that’s what happens in a normal female puberty.

In male puberty height, arm reach and muscle strength increases, a chest develops, a deeper voice happens, facial features become more angular., with a pronounced jaw and Adam’s apple.

When I look at pictures of Khelif I am pretty sure I know which puberty they went through.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 14/08/2024 21:40

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You do you

personally I’m here to prevent women from losing medals and being punched in the face by men in the name of sport

Helleofabore · 14/08/2024 21:40

suggestionsplease1 · 14/08/2024 21:34

Ok well you are using false logic so it's hard to give credence to anything else you have to say in the light of that.

You say about my post: "You declare it is ludicrous to point out that a male who didn’t start intense sport until 17 would not be impacted by activity delayed menstruation"

Of course that is untrue, I said nothing of the sort.

I said there are multiple reasons a person may experience different puberty, and multiple reasons they may not be aware of what a typical puberty is.

If you want to misrepresent other posters so transparently that is up to you.

But you should understand everyone will give little credibility to anything else you have to say in the light of that.

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So you didn’t say, involvement in sport to an excessive degree etc?

Gosh. Did I copy and paste incorrectly then?

Oblomov24 · 14/08/2024 21:39

Op 1 post then disappears. A goady post from someone who doesn't understand biology.

Helleofabore · 14/08/2024 21:38

suggestionsplease1 · 14/08/2024 21:34

Ok well you are using false logic so it's hard to give credence to anything else you have to say in the light of that.

You say about my post: "You declare it is ludicrous to point out that a male who didn’t start intense sport until 17 would not be impacted by activity delayed menstruation"

Of course that is untrue, I said nothing of the sort.

I said there are multiple reasons a person may experience different puberty, and multiple reasons they may not be aware of what a typical puberty is.

If you want to misrepresent other posters so transparently that is up to you.

But you should understand everyone will give little credibility to anything else you have to say in the light of that.

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What false logic am I using?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 14/08/2024 21:38

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CA was foolish enough to take the IOC to court. This meant that all his medical records were disclosed. CS has 46 XY 5-ARD (5-alpha-reductase deficiency). People with this particular DSD have the male XY chromosomes. Only men can have this DSD. CS is male

now who’s clueless?

Charlottescobweb · 14/08/2024 21:37

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Helleofabore · 14/08/2024 21:36

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Please show me exactly where I have called Khelif ‘a man’.

Disgust, eh? The melodrama and hyperbole is just as strong as your false accusation.

FrillyKnickersAndNoFurCoat · 14/08/2024 21:36

Aussieland · 14/08/2024 20:44

You lot are horrible bullies and should be ashamed of yourselves. I am truly disgusted

Well that's us told off.
Khelif is the bully for being a man punching women.

spannasaurus · 14/08/2024 21:35

spannasaurus · 14/08/2024 21:34

For pp who believes that women have higher testosterone than men here's a nice chart for you

The semenya line is what he was required to reduce to in order to complete. Actual level was 21

CorvusPurpureus · 14/08/2024 21:35

HamBagelNoCheese · 14/08/2024 21:06

You'd have to ask her to lift up her dress to "see the evidence"...

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Can't be Swyers.

People with Swyers do not experience puberty, don't have male range testosterone, & have comorbid risks of bone density issues which would certainly rule out elite competitive sports.

suggestionsplease1 · 14/08/2024 21:34

Helleofabore · 14/08/2024 21:27

I believe that there is no reason to ignore the two tests done and analysed by two independent labs for the IBA. A medical doctor with the speciality of being a Gynecologist confirmed this.

Statements from not only the IBA, but also WBC and EBC have made the same statements. Including the all important statement that this athlete has male pubertal advantage.

You can personally choose to deny all this. And the coach in Paris. But you are trying to fit female health conditions to a male person. You declare it is ludicrous to point out that a male who didn’t start intense sport until 17 would not be impacted by activity delayed menstruation. Yeah, I don’t think so. I think you are desperately reaching for reasons in light of what you are actively dismissing.

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Ok well you are using false logic so it's hard to give credence to anything else you have to say in the light of that.

You say about my post: "You declare it is ludicrous to point out that a male who didn’t start intense sport until 17 would not be impacted by activity delayed menstruation"

Of course that is untrue, I said nothing of the sort.

I said there are multiple reasons a person may experience different puberty, and multiple reasons they may not be aware of what a typical puberty is.

If you want to misrepresent other posters so transparently that is up to you.

But you should understand everyone will give little credibility to anything else you have to say in the light of that.

DancingNotDrowning · 14/08/2024 21:34

Charlottescobweb · 14/08/2024 21:27

Why you asking me for? Ask this poster Theeyeballsinthesky it's the very first post after the op. If you get an answer let me know.

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You’re being asked because you implied it was a ridiculous question and said “we must be so stupid that we have no idea”

since the answer is so easy, please tell. Because I have no idea

spannasaurus · 14/08/2024 21:34

For pp who believes that women have higher testosterone than men here's a nice chart for you

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Well no one is forcing you to post

quite easy to hide threads if it’s all soooooo horrid

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 14/08/2024 21:32

Helleofabore · 14/08/2024 21:30

Fuck. Did you actually post this without a thought? Do you even understand the health condition that you are posting about vs a male being born with a difference of sex development? Your post is offensive.

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and the thing is Hellebore they’re probably absolutely clueless at just how offensive it is