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Major - American Society of Plastic Surgeons - evidence for gender surgery on children low quality

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fromorbit · 12/08/2024 23:03

Big news the US medical situation is changing before the first detrans court cases hit.

A Consensus No Longer
The American Society of Plastic Surgeons becomes the first major US medical association to challenge the consensus of medical groups over “gender-affirming care” for minors.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/a-consensus-no-longer

But the U.S. consensus now appears to have its first big fracture. In July, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, a major medical association representing 11,000 members and over 90 percent of the field in the U.S. and Canada, told me that it “has not endorsed any organization’s practice recommendations for the treatment of adolescents with gender dysphoria.” ASPS acknowledged that there is “considerable uncertainty as to the long-term efficacy for the use of chest and genital surgical interventions” and that “the existing evidence base is viewed as low quality/low certainty.”

A Consensus No Longer

The American Society of Plastic Surgeons becomes the first major medical association to challenge the consensus of medical groups over “gender-affirming care” for minors.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/a-consensus-no-longer

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FrancescaContini · 15/08/2024 08:52

littlbrowndog · 13/08/2024 07:46

12 year ld girls having double mastectomies.
how does any surgeon justify that

there is no justification ever for this

Makes me want to cry 😢

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/08/2024 07:40

I recall some similar adverts in the UK last year? Presumably the WPATH revelations, Cass, all the reverse ferreting of organisations and even the paedophile scandal at Mermaids will all be contributing to the evidence?
While I know it will be the NHS they'll go for (with no doubt multi million £££ cases given the extent of harm caused) I can't help wishing they'd go for the assortment of dubious individuals and groups who've been allowed to push this at children.

ArabellaScott · 15/08/2024 07:39

Yes it's quite depressing that it takes financial concerns rather than ethical ones to turn the tanker.

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fromorbit · 15/08/2024 04:57

There are a bunch of lawyers starting to specialize in these cases. I think they are doing it on a no win, no fee basis as no sign of crowdfunding. They are sensible as it looks likely HUGE payouts are possible for them and their clients.

Good article on it here it is:
https://www.nysun.com/article/lawsuits-by-regretful-detransitioners-take-aim-at-medical-establishments-support-for-gender-transition-treatments-for-minors?

The two lawsuits that pose the biggest threat to the AAP in particular were filed in October by a Dallas law firm that promotes itself as fighting for “justice for the detransitioner community,” Campbell Miller Payne. These “detransitioners” are people who regret medically transitioning and have reverted to identifying and presenting as their biological sex.

These two cases are part of a burgeoning litigation movement that to date includes at least nine other detransitioner suits against care providers, all filed since August 2022. Campbell Miller Payne has filed five such suits all told, has one additional case close to filing and more in development, according to firm partner Jordan Campbell.

That article is from December in the last 8 months cases have progressed and have led to access to WPATH information which shows how corrupt/deluded that organisation is. Legally the cases are looking stronger than ever.

The genderists in the States have some skilled lawyers and a LOT of institutional power, but their position is built on sand. That is why the Plastic Surgeons are backtracking now.

Theses cases are going to really start hitting in 2025/6/7. As soon as one wins hundreds more of detrans people will look at legal action.

As we see from the UK the genderists are never going to admit they were wrong - they will find excuses. The important thing is gender stuff will become unfashionable lots of people who played along will go onto next fad. They will never admit women were right though. Lives will be saved though.

'Detransitioner' Lawsuits Take Aim At Medical Establishment

'Detransitioner' Lawsuits Take Aim At Medical Establishment

Two blockbuster lawsuits by women who underwent medical gender transitions, then regretted it, aim fire at the American Academy of Pediatrics.

https://www.nysun.com/article/lawsuits-by-regretful-detransitioners-take-aim-at-medical-establishments-support-for-gender-transition-treatments-for-minors

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Chersfrozenface · 13/08/2024 15:11

OldCrone · 13/08/2024 15:05

Can't they use crowdfunding?

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Unless they or their families are well off, they'll probably have to at least try crowdfunding.

OldCrone · 13/08/2024 15:05

Chersfrozenface · 13/08/2024 13:40

Will patients be able to sue plastic surgeons who deliberately don't have medical malpractice insurance, like Sidhbh Gallagher? No win no fee lawyers won't help if they don't think they'll get any money from the case.

Can't they use crowdfunding?

ArabellaScott · 13/08/2024 14:05

Chersfrozenface · 13/08/2024 13:45

I don't know. You can buy them online, complete with syringe. I've found them on ebay, for instance.

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😧

Chersfrozenface · 13/08/2024 13:45

ArabellaScott · 13/08/2024 13:32

Well, somebody implanted a microchip into Scarlet Blake. I doubt he did it himself.

I don't know. You can buy them online, complete with syringe. I've found them on ebay, for instance.

Chersfrozenface · 13/08/2024 13:40

Will patients be able to sue plastic surgeons who deliberately don't have medical malpractice insurance, like Sidhbh Gallagher? No win no fee lawyers won't help if they don't think they'll get any money from the case.

ArabellaScott · 13/08/2024 13:32

Well, somebody implanted a microchip into Scarlet Blake. I doubt he did it himself.

Aroastdinnerisnotahumanright · 13/08/2024 13:31

Interesting. I agree that as well as moral reasons they're scared they'll get the blame because their work is more "visible."

I wonder if they have to deal with a lot of strange requests not related to this kind of thing, like people who want to look like cats or celebrities. An important part of their job is saying no

kiterunning · 13/08/2024 13:27

We all guessed that this would happen as soon as lawyers got involved.
This will be a massive earner for them and these butcher surgeons must be unable to sleep at night.

lcakethereforeIam · 13/08/2024 13:20

At the risk of invoking Godwin's law, I hope they're waking up to the inadequacy 'only following orders' is as a defence.

Igmum · 13/08/2024 13:15

This is absolutely good news. Hopefully it will prompt the other medical professional bodies to make similar statements. Cuts the ground away from the insanity of the TRAs.

TheKeatingFive · 13/08/2024 12:02

The nhs legal cases will be more around puberty blockers than surgery. For minors anyway.

TheKeatingFive · 13/08/2024 12:01

spannasaurus · 13/08/2024 11:55

I watched a Billboard Chris clip on X where he was talking to a TRA (in the US) who was insistent that no mastectomies were being performed on minors. When Chris brought up Chloe Cole who has a double mastectomy at 15 the TRA was absolutely adamant that this had only happened because Chloe had breast cancer.

Cognitive dissonance takes people to weird places.

spannasaurus · 13/08/2024 11:55

I watched a Billboard Chris clip on X where he was talking to a TRA (in the US) who was insistent that no mastectomies were being performed on minors. When Chris brought up Chloe Cole who has a double mastectomy at 15 the TRA was absolutely adamant that this had only happened because Chloe had breast cancer.

EdithStourton · 13/08/2024 11:48

HoppityBun · 13/08/2024 09:22

I’ve been worried about the implications of this for the NHS for a very long time. And not just the surgical liability.

Likewise. I've been predicting a lot of legal cases for years. It could easily cost the NHS (and this taxpayers) millions.

Interesting to see medics breaking ranks.

ArabellaScott · 13/08/2024 11:22

Anyone who has been duped into waving the Progress Pride flag, or using drag queens as entertainment for children, or celebrating 'identity' probably feels complicit to some extent in this butchery, and may well dig in even harder to avoid recognising the problem.

ArabellaScott · 13/08/2024 11:20

borntobequiet · 13/08/2024 09:09

From the article:

Kayla Lovdahl, the young woman currently suing Kaiser Permanente, was approved for surgery after an “affirming” psychologist conducted a single 75-minute evaluation and determined that she was “transgender,” according to her legal complaint. Five weeks later, Lovdahl, still only 12, met with the plastic surgeon, Winnie Tong, who concluded after a 30-minute evaluation that she fulfilled criteria for a double mastectomy. The procedure was performed four months later, just after Lovdahl turned 13.

This is horrifying.

Absolutely and utterly.

I think this is why so many people are so resistant to thinking about it, tbh.

How does it feel to consider that children, young girls, have had their bodies mutilated, in the service of a mad cult? And that governments have celebrated it?

It's not nice. Cognitive dissonance is very unpleasant.

Okayornot · 13/08/2024 11:04

They don't happen in the UK.

Not on 13 year olds, no. But they have been performed on under 18s, according to a Times article.

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user1471538275 · 13/08/2024 11:03

“You can’t outsource your professional judgement to other clinicians. It’s your responsibility as the last in a chain of treatment to ensure you are doing what is best for the patient now and in the long term.”

It is this. At all levels. If you are a professional, then you are accountable for the actions that you take.

You cannot blame other people - or you are not actually a professional.

SpanielintheWorks · 13/08/2024 10:59

Helleofabore · 13/08/2024 10:16

Weren’t we assured that mastectomies on 13 year old girls were made up cases and vile scare mongering?

They don't happen in the UK. I remain horrified that anyone can look at a distressed 18-yr-old girl and decide that breast removal is a first line of treatment. And that does happen.

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fromorbit · 13/08/2024 10:55

misscockerspaniel · 13/08/2024 10:22

That, plus the thought of $$$. In a fight between money and ethics, money normally wins.

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True, but this is why the reality side is starting to win too.

The TAs are going to cost people a LOT of money because of their lies. The court cases are in progress and are going to hit 2025/6/7.

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misscockerspaniel · 13/08/2024 10:22

Ingenieur · 13/08/2024 10:05

It is the result of a small number of ideologically driven doctor-association members in LGBT-focused committees, who exploit their colleagues' trust.

Oof, never a truer word spoken.

That, plus the thought of $$$. In a fight between money and ethics, money normally wins.