Iraqi pose lowering legal marriage for girls to age to 9

There are five states with no legal lower limit for marriage. Read the link I posted upthread from Unchained At Last.

The organisation I linked to upthread has examples of girls getting married in the US as young as 10.

They are worried, afaik, that girls will be coerced into relationships that are not marriage and will go beyond the reach of social services. Also that some pregnant underage girls want to marry and make their child legitimate and making the age of marriage 18 will prevent this
I actually agree with those opposing raising the age of marriage to 18 for both those reasons. In the UK underage marriage and forced marriage take place in particular communities. Making it illegal to marry under 18 will not stop those forced marriages and under age marriages because the families will resort to religious marriage that are not licensed (for US readers marriage in the UK can be civil OR religious but religious marriages are restricted to Christianity and Judaism i.e. you can marry in a Protestant church/chapel, a Catholic church or a synagogue, or in a Registry Office, the marriage is the same and subject to the same rules).
Some girls will still want to marry the father of their child, if they are 16 or 17 (the age of consent is 16) but now they are unable to marry because only those over 18 can marry.
This makes life difficult for a lot of people and doesn't stop forced marriages. The only way to stop forced marriages is to prosecute the entire family doing this. They will not be deterred by 'local' law.

You're right it was previously withdrawn.However, the bill reappeared in a session on August 4 after gaining support from influential Shiite blocs that hold significant sway in the chamber.
So it's now got a serious chance of being passed.

Again...young girls the victims. Will it ever end?

Some Iraqis explained that absolute majority are against and it was put forward by Iranians (I see someone already mentioned them).
Afaik it was already rejected by government?

Safeguard Futures - Ban Child Marriage

Report from IKWRO on the campaign work they have done in releation to child marriage in the UK

https://ikwro.org.uk/safeguard-futures-ban-child-marriage/

Yes it amazes me that California is one of the outlier states.
'In California, in contrast, opposition to setting a minimum age for marriage has come from more progressive groups, including Planned Parenthood, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Children’s Law Center.'
'These groups have contended that imposing an age requirement for marriage could lead to rollbacks of constitutional or reproductive rights."
'In 2017, the ACLU wrote in a letter of opposition to a California bill banning child marriage that the legislation “unnecessarily and unduly intrudes on the fundamental rights of marriage with sufficient cause,” according to PBS. "
'Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California Spokesperson Jennifer Wonnacott said in a statement to The Hill that the organization “strongly supports protecting youth from abuse of all kinds and safeguarding their rights.”

There are some statistics on this web site - including a few under 10 marriages that happened in the past 10/15 years.
https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-shocking-statistics/

Also by chance, they have a press release about a proposed changed to the law that they think will undo some of the work that has made underage marriage in some states less likely.
https://www.unchainedatlast.org/federal-bill-would-undo-our-work-to-end-child-marriage/

No, I'm not sure where people are getting this. I think there may be some states, even as progressive as California, where there just isn't a legal minimum, but that can't be interpreted as "children can be married off at 9"! The courts are involved and would never approve that, obviously.

There are no US states where it is legal to marry at the age of 9. Most states require a person to be 18 or older, but with parental consent (and sometimes judicial consent), people can marry at the age of 16 or 17 - usually with a requirement that there be no more than 2 to 4 years difference in ages between the prospective bride and groom.

This doesn't stop some from marrying young girls to old men in a religious ceremony that doesn't involve a marriage license, but most Americans are horrified by that.

https://www.findlaw.com/family/marriage/state-by-state-marriage-age-of-consent-laws.html

And not helped when trying to campaign that all young girls are vulnerable to exploitative men, when a judicial system that is meant to treat all equally says that a 12 year old who was raped and became pregnant, that there was no crime because it was part of "their culture".

ie not giving equality or caring enough for the girl that judges would demand for their daughters.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5085318-man-who-raped-12-year-old-gipsy-girl-acquitted-because-relationship-common-spain

If their 9 yr old girl bride has 5ard there'll be trouble,.

What happens to the levels of international abuse and traffic ? When the world will stop this too, because the men who finance it are not only Arabs, but white western men too.

Some societies still 'promise' their toddler girls to another family. Sometimes within their own family.Sometimes for money.

We have a long way to go in the world before women and girls are recognised as individuals rather than someone's chattel.
FGM, child marriage, perinatal death - mother and/ or child, fistula, often no education etc etc. The list is too depressing to carry on.
The common theme is females being owned, so I'm horrified yet not very surprised at this proposal.

WTF is wrong with people? Mainly men who make these sick, abhorrent rules up. A 9 year old girl? What kind of monster would agree to marrying a little girl. More than I care to imagine I assume.

No justifying it at all. As much as we have our problems here, thank fuck we weren’t born somewhere like that. Poor babies and their mothers!

This is shocking to me. Both Iraq going the way of a crazy theocracy and the USA being woefully inadequate in protecting their young girls

Five states in the US have no lower age limit for marriage.

This organisation campaigns to end child marriage in the US. They have some shocking figures here - 10 and 11 year olds married.

These are outwith the norm; the main problem is 16 and 17 year olds being married when they are legally not able to leave home/divorce.

https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-shocking-statistics/

Lowering the age of marriage to 9 fits with Ayatollah Khomeini's ideas (Iran). Hate to post Wikipedia but here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahrir_al-Wasilah
At the end, under Controversies.
Hope does not get removed - I am trying very hard to follow MN guidelines.

How would this square with child abuse? Is that not currently a crime there, how are they somehow ignoring that aspect?

I think they justify it because the prophet Muhammad was supposed to have gotten married to his wife (one of them at least) when she was 9. It’s horrible. I have a 9yo and she’s very much a young child. Stitch obsessed, loves Minecraft and teddy bears. The idea that other children her age could be forced into marriage is obscene.

Absolutely sickening.

It is already legal for girls in some states of the US to marry at 9?

That is shocking, isn't it?

And Iraq wants to change its law to match the law in those states of the US?

Surely the best and un-hypocritical thing to do to stop Iraq in its tracks would be to get those US states to raise the legal age for girl marriage?

Sickening.

I'm not sure what your point is. Here and now the Iraqi government is trying to roll back the gains that have been made over the last few years. They are justifying it by Sharia Law. This isn't business as usual it is regression in women's rights. Just as has happened in other Islamic countries. Iraq is slowly moving towards a theocracy.

Why can't you just condemn this, even if you say it is a wrong interpretation of the Quran.