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THANK YOU MATTHEW PINSENT

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PermanentTemporary · 11/08/2024 19:45

On the Beeb now saying clear as day that the entire controversy over the boxing was wrong, it was the IOC's own fault and it needs fixing in the next Olympics cycle. No mention of individual athletes - the blame squarely where it belongs, with the mess the IOC allowed to happen.

I was a rower so he's a bit of a God to me anyway, but to say it so clearly and simply when I've been infuriated by practically everything I've read or heard about it, whichever angle it was from, was just AWESOME.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/08/2024 23:28

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How is that homophobic ????

OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 11/08/2024 23:25

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How is this homophobic?

Did he ask a man to carry his baby?

BeaRF75 · 11/08/2024 23:24

Matthew Pinsent was completely brilliant today.

Apolloneuro · 11/08/2024 23:23

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ImikSiMik · 11/08/2024 22:47

Well we can be certain Tom Daley won't be following Pinsent and Thompson.

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Why?

OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 11/08/2024 23:22

ImikSiMik · 11/08/2024 22:47

Well we can be certain Tom Daley won't be following Pinsent and Thompson.

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But he knew what a woman was when he wanted to buy a baby.

Apolloneuro · 11/08/2024 23:22

From what I’ve read it’s the presence of the Make Male gene that makes the fundamental difference. Without these two boxers releasing their tests we will never know if it was ok or not.

I do think there’s no point in girls training as elite athletes, I must say.

ImikSiMik · 11/08/2024 22:47

viques · 11/08/2024 20:12

He is Matthew Pinsent, a UK Gold medal winning rower, good to see a very well respected and male (former) athlete pinning his colours to the mast. First Daley Thompson, now Matthew, let’s hope more start speaking up to join the female former athletes who have been saying this for many years.

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Well we can be certain Tom Daley won't be following Pinsent and Thompson.

OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 11/08/2024 22:30

Omlettes · 11/08/2024 21:10

Carini et al are sacrificial :(

And we must not forget this.

We must not forget what this has cost them.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 11/08/2024 21:40

BlossomToLeaves · 11/08/2024 21:29

And yet the BBC app is still showing a story where they quote the IOC head as saying things like there are many women with higher testosterone than many men, or that there is no solid scientific way to distinguish men and women etc, and there is no comment on his remarks in the article, no fact finding addendum or correction, no verification or sources, no questioning, so it comes across like it is generally accepted

So the BBC might have some individuals who understand science and are allowed to talk about it, but they're still not making it clear across all their platforms.

I'd like to see BBC Verify (?) validate that claim without resorting to: "Many women can be a tiny proportion of women who have higher testosterone than a tiny proportion of men. Both tiny proportions constitute "many" by the law of large numbers."

BlossomToLeaves · 11/08/2024 21:29

And yet the BBC app is still showing a story where they quote the IOC head as saying things like there are many women with higher testosterone than many men, or that there is no solid scientific way to distinguish men and women etc, and there is no comment on his remarks in the article, no fact finding addendum or correction, no verification or sources, no questioning, so it comes across like it is generally accepted

So the BBC might have some individuals who understand science and are allowed to talk about it, but they're still not making it clear across all their platforms.

Omlettes · 11/08/2024 21:10

Carini et al are sacrificial :(

OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 11/08/2024 21:09

Nicola Adams, who has also been working on the BBC has been tweeting similar.

I am also surprised that the BBC broadcast that, times they are a changing

Omlettes · 11/08/2024 21:08

menopausalmare · 11/08/2024 20:00

That's David Icke.

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And Jolyon Maugham

Oblomov24 · 11/08/2024 21:06

Good.

CrossPurposes · 11/08/2024 21:02

viques · 11/08/2024 20:49

Yes I know, but by the time I realised it was too late to go back and tweak.

I think fairness works though, it is about fairness , which in sport should be an important consideration.

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He said "they can't both have equity and inclusion".

He was talking from around 7.34 i.e. 34 minutes into the closing ceremony coverage.

Igmum · 11/08/2024 20:56

Ooo I like that. A 'sports sex'. Identify however you please but your sports sex is biological reality. (Plain old sex to the rest of us but could be a linguistic olive branch to the activists)

murasaki · 11/08/2024 20:55

I think the IOC want boxing out, and have let this clusterfuck happen in order to justify their decision.

As in 'if you can't all be nice, there won't be any boxing. See, it's all your fault'.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 11/08/2024 20:54

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2024 20:47

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/08/11/seb-coe-ioc-presidency-stand-up-womens-sport/

Seb Coe, too.

Archive: https://archive.is/DZvwU

Coe diverges from Bach in his protection of the female category in sport. Asked by Telegraph Sport for his views on the IOC’s stance, Coe, 67, said: “You have to have a clear policy. If you don’t, you get into difficult territory – and I think that’s what we’ve witnessed here. The reality is very simple: I have a responsibility to preserve the female category, and I will go on doing that until a successor decides otherwise or the science alters.”
The IOC has been accused of neglecting their duty of care in running Olympic boxing, refusing to intervene as Algeria’s Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan took gold despite their sex tests revealing XY chromosomes, the male pattern. The IOC disputed the validity of the tests.

EveSix · 11/08/2024 20:51

Tommy Lundberg, researcher in Clinical Physiology at Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm, who were relatively quick out of the blocks with ceasing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for minors, has come out strongly in European press over the weekend arguing the case for athletes to be allocated a 'sports sex' for the purpose of accessing competitive sports, determined by cheek swabbing and establishing chromosomal sex.

Igmum · 11/08/2024 20:51

Good for him. Here's to many more medalists stepping forward.

And yes @KohlaParasaurus I too was surprised that the BBC thought Police didn't bleep over the heresy.

viques · 11/08/2024 20:49

logicisall · 11/08/2024 20:41

"inclusion and fairness don’t work in sports."

He actually said "Inclusion and equality"

Yes I know, but by the time I realised it was too late to go back and tweak.

I think fairness works though, it is about fairness , which in sport should be an important consideration.

viques · 11/08/2024 20:46

PermanentTemporary · 11/08/2024 20:29

I'll be absolutely delighted if the gold medallists involved go through an appropriate verification regime and are able to compete at the next Olympics in the female category.

As I said, I've been as infuriated by the 'they look like a bloke!' stuff as by the 'they're cis women you bigot!' stuff. It should never be about what individuals look like.

The most likely outcome is that they'll retire and we won't ever know.

Funnily enough, no one is saying that about quite masculine looking women in some of the field sports,or the BMX. Possibly because they are actual women, not genetic men who have failed sex tests organised by their own sport, and have then declined to have those results challenged by an independent organisation, possibly because they know that the results of the testing would then be made public .

logicisall · 11/08/2024 20:41

"inclusion and fairness don’t work in sports."

He actually said "Inclusion and equality"