THANK YOU MATTHEW PINSENT

Well now that women's sports are getting more popular and taken more seriously, there's going to be more money at play, as well as more scrutiny, so we probably will see more "chancers" (that's a UK term I wish we used here) hopefully followed by more regulations.

That's what I think too, the vibe is men's sport is the true elite category and women's is lesser. But Seb Coe said that the women were 'box office' and carried some of the sports, so I think/hope he will use fairness to get himself the top job, and go further than he has in the past.

It seems to me men as a class often come up with a way to shore up their own protections, and push their advantage, at the expense of women. If you view this as a zero-sum game and you want women to remain the support class at home in the kitchen and doing the cleaning, then this does constitute a threat.

What made it powerful was that he criticised the IOC and not the individual boxers.

The piece from the Mail Online posted on page 4, gives a transcript. MP said: "It has been totally of their own creation as they can't have both equity and inclusion".

I don’t know why female anything seems to be the ‘miscellaneous’, or ‘also ran’ class. That just makes the male class protected. And they are under no threat.

There should be an ‘open’, for all non-women. And then have female as the protected class. You have to be positively female to enter that. No ‘I am a male, but then something went wrong during my development’. That does not a woman make, and who knows what residual advantages one has, even if something went awry during their development, because of their actual sex class. It is women who are at a disadvantage if there is no gate-keeping.

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Oi! Madam's apple to you.

In one of the photos, the Blythin person certainly appears to have an Adam’s apple. Maybe ‘she’ll’ get it shaved, and it would be as if it was never there. It seems to be the era of storytelling. Only for the lads, though. Only for the lads to tell you it is raining whilst they are peeing on women.

Clare Balding was one of the slebs that literally said TWAW on Twitter a few years ago. I remember because it made things seems so hopeless.
She definitely knew that Matthew Pinsent bit was coming though - it was clearly planned. It makes me think even less of her, that she's just swimming with the tide.

It was rude.

He said inclusion and equity, I think, meaning women need a different starting point to men as there is an imbalance between the sexes. Pretty sure that's what I heard.

This may have been thrashed out by the time I post, but Blythin is a standard MCW.
I remember cricket fans at the time saying their bowling was super hard. Much harder than women bowl. Women's cricket can feature highly talented girls and they bemoaned that for safety reasons, adult males are not allowed to bowl at boys in cricket, but this adult male was allowed to bowl at girls because they claim to be a woman.

Pretty powerful people in the world of sport.

My specific response was to the specific claim that more people are speaking up in the wake of the Olympics. I asked "Who?" beyond Nicola Adams and Matthew Pinsent (and beyond the people who've been speaking up for some time).

Mark Foster is new (to me, at least). I'd welcome knowing about more.

As indicated in my previous posts, my profound pessimism is grounded in the ongoing indifference to the point of wilful ignorance of clinical and scientific colleagues, professionals, and professional associations. That's my (skewed) perspective that reflects my cognitive biases.

Strongly disagree. The use and meaning of words and phrases have a history and it matters.

Littlewhingingfucker wasn't rude or patronising. The proper response is "thanks" OR description of an alternative.

Here’s a thing to think about, if there hadn’t been grassroots outrage about Emily Bridges, coupled with the strong rumour that the UK,s very well regarded and well known elite women cyclists threatened to boycott races, then the UK Olympic Cycling team could have been in the same position as Algeria ie supporting a man in a woman’s team. And it wasn’t for the lack of effort, Bridges ( and mother) really pushed for their inclusion.

Serena Williams, Sharron Davis,, Martina Navratilova, Daley Thompson, Caitlin Jenner.

Pretty powerful people in the world of sport.@RethinkingLife

And all the brave US women who have spoken up about male swimmers in womens swimming, male runners in athletics, male basket ball players, I say brave women because not only do they face appalling abuse online and in person, but they risk losing valuable sponsorship, scholarships and other funding for speaking out, but they know that if this generation of women and girls doesn’t take a stand then the women and girls who follow will often find themselves losing the race at the start line, or even worse being knocked unconscious or seriously injured as happened to several high school girls in a basket ball match recently. Their coach was so worried he took the unprecedented step of halting the match.

Either way, my point was that Clare Balding supported this person’s win of Women of the Year. I wonder if Clare Balding supports male people with DSDs that lead to any degree of virilisation to participate in female sports categories now.

Just watched (well, listened, as for some reason the video wouldn’t show up) to that clip of Blythin. 'There are girls [on the team] with longer arm-spans than I do'…..really?
I won’t put up a picture as I know that’s frowned upon but I wonder how many 6ft + team-mates there are? I’ve seen a photo of Blythin with two others and it’s, well, instructive.

It is not unusual to have male people retcon their stories. It could be that Blythin has PAIS. But they have certainly not followed up on their big reveal and the denial of male advantage seems false in the light of their record setting.

It is a reminder though that cricket needs to sort out their policy.

Last year the Women's Rights Network did a piece about Blythin, who began by playing for a male team before switching to a female one.

In 2019, 6ft+ tall male Maxine Blythin outperformed the women in the Kent team batting an average score of 124 and hitting four centuries in his debut season, earning him the accolade ‘Kent Women’s Club Player of the Year’. Blythin claimed to have a medical condition that results in low testosterone production and that he never “..went through any form of male puberty”.

They also noted that the England & Wales Cricket Board use the Genderbread figure in their inclusive language guidance document (complete with pink and blue brain)
They were supposed to be having a review in 2023 but their website is very difficult to wade through to see exactly where they now stand on all this, despite a mass of EDI virtue-signalling.

Oh, and in male teams Blythin had a batting average of 15, apparently. As opposed to 124 in women’s.

Sport was always the weakness in this ideology. A strange hill for the IOC to die on

So that wasn’t true? Well colour me surprised - someone hasn’t been open and honest on this subject! Ugh, it shouldn’t be this complicated!

Yes. I remember. I also remember that nothing further has been said. No diagnosis revealed after this big reveal.

And that this cricketer certainly has strength that seems too good to be true for a female player and sets records.

This thread is so interesting. There are definitely chinks of daylight on this issue now and I'm hopeful that the world is waking up to reality. It will take time though. Unfortunately.

Sky news piece (I should have included this when I quoted your post):

"I was born with a condition that meant I never had any real levels of testosterone, which meant I never went through any form of male puberty," says Blythin.
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She says she is now ready to tell people as much as she can about her condition and hopes this will help to raise awareness about the diversity of trans identities.
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her condition - which she says has been established by doctors but is yet to receive a full medical diagnosis

www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/11870243/maxine-blythin-transgender-cricketer-reveals-birth-condition