Algerian boxer filing legal claim over online harrassment

Its always men's feelz are more more important than bitter wimmins desire for safety and fairness.

This has exposed the worst of humanity to me and I feel physically ill. To watch a mob of people repeatedly misgender someone due to false information is one thing. On top of that, demanding a generic test and medical evidence of their sex. Entitlement and bigotry. Disgusting. This is why people hurt themselves. This is why people are murdered for their differences by intolerant and power hungry bullies. Shame on all of you. You all are so disappointing.

Imagine if your child was treated this way by a bunch of strangers on the Internet.

The world has much worse.going on than a masculine looking woman winning a sporting event.

Get your heads out of your asses please "ladies". You all are not real women.

Gross.

You mean, we could get AI to post rather than us having to put so much effort in to link up all the evidence and pertinent points? FFS!

To watch a mob of people repeatedly misgender someone due to false information is one thing. On top of that, demanding a generic test and medical evidence of their sex.

Lolz. So it's unacceptable to act on false information and it's also unacceptable to ask for true information. How to square that circle? Why, accept what you are told without question as long as it's the right people telling you. Who are the right people? The ones we say are right of course!

Do they even hear themselves?

I think the amped up emotion and the inability to discuss tricky issues of what gender identity means in society vs what sex means in society without insulting and dismissing and belittling anyone who places sex over gender actually stems from the semi-conscious awareness that they don't really believe this, or rather see how it works, either. They absolutely cannot entertain the opposite position even as an intellectual exercise because they know this is what they really believe as well, but they've been told to think this way is abhorrent, beyond the pale, and so they cannot hear it from others because at some level they can feel they agree and they fear they are being corrupted.

"However the "cheat" comment can be defended if the individual knows they are male but they choose to enter a female competition."

If we are going to take the position, That sex is black and white i.e xy chromosome = male then surely the issue of cheating or not cheating should also be black and white. We might feel the IOC rules are a joke but they have not been broken here so she is not a cheat.

This boxer believes herself to be a woman, was raised as such and did not benefit from. Male entitlement etc. At some point she realised she had a DSD but (after much soul searching I'd imagine) still sees herself as a woman.

If all of that can be ignored and dismissed as ultimately irrelevant then it's a bit inconsistent to introduce a " spirit of cricket" argument for branding her a cheat.

Has soft used AI to write all their posts? Maybe explains the lack of understanding?

I thought you were joking at first!

I thought you were joking at first!

That or watch Al Jazeera for 24 hours to get a good idea of the worst of humanity (Al Jazeera still are more graphic than western news tv stations and regardless of their political leanings it shows some pretty grim realities about the worst of humanity).

It’s almost as though we don’t know all this already, and haven’t been discussing it for years. Luckily, AI pulls it all together nicely.

I recommend lying down in a dark room for thirty minutes with a damp tea towel over your face.

This has exposed the worst of humanity to me and I feel physically ill. To watch a mob of people repeatedly misgender someone due to false information is one thing. On top of that, demanding a generic test and medical evidence of their sex. Entitlement and bigotry. Disgusting. This is why people hurt themselves. This is why people are murdered for their differences by intolerant and power hungry bullies. Shame on all of you. You all are so disappointing.

Imagine if your child was treated this way by a bunch of strangers on the Internet.

The world has much worse.going on than a masculine looking woman winning a sporting event.

Get your heads out of your asses please "ladies". You all are not real women.

Gross.

Yes.

I wonder if it can be done at point of posting? I wouldn't mind having to click squares with traffic lights in 'em each time, if it stops the knobheads flooding interesting threads with their spaffing.

Well, Semenya raised a very valid point this week about being discriminated against under the IOC's eye.

Remember, Semenya cannot compete in the Olympics because the WA finally created a policy that excluded the now obvious male athlete with male pubertal advantage from competition. Because the IOC refused to exhibit leadership and decided to make the international sporting federations responsible for the policy and any litigation.

However, these two male athletes can compete because the IOC excluded the IBA and ignored the IBA policy, the one that excluded these two athletes.

Semenya raises the issue of discrimination. Because if Semenya had trained as a boxer last year, Semenya could have competed in the boxing but not their speciality. Because the IOC has allowed this inconsistency to occur.

And I am quite sure that if it went to court the CAS would most likely agree that in boxing it is a significant safety issue.

Should AI-generated posts be banned/blocked on MN? Or 'labelled' somehow?

I was musing about the "difficulties" of sports classification this morning over my custard danish.

Imagine three people of equal athletic ability and weight.

A has an F on their passport. They were assigned male at birth and now identity as female. They have xy chromosomes, an sry gene and are sensitive to androgens.

B has an F on their passport. They were assigned female at birth and identify as female. They have xy chromosomes, an sry gene and are sensitive to androgens.

C has an M on their passport. They were assigned male at birth and identify as male. They have xy chromosomes, an sry gene and are sensitive to androgens.

C is sad because he's not good enough to qualify for the olympics but he sees his equally mediocre pals A & B smashing it in the women's category.

Should C be able to sue for sex discrimination? We know that entry to the women's category doesn't hinge on self identifying as female as we also have:

D who has an M on their passport, was assigned female at birth, identifies as male, has xx chromosomes, no sry gene and is waiting until their sporting career is over before starting testosterone to avoid doping charges.

What a mess. Three identical male bodies (maybe C has a small willy - lets keep our minds out of their pants as we're told all good allies should), but only C doesn't get to go to the olympics. Won't someone think of the mediocre males that don't get to compete?

C should have grifted harder.

This has exposed the worst of humanity to me and I feel physically ill. To watch a mob of people repeatedly misgender someone due to false information is one thing. On top of that, demanding a generic test and medical evidence of their sex. Entitlement and bigotry. Disgusting. This is why people hurt themselves. This is why people are murdered for their differences by intolerant and power hungry bullies. Shame on all of you. You all are so disappointing.

Imagine if your child was treated this way by a bunch of strangers on the Internet.

The world has much worse.going on than a masculine looking woman winning a sporting event.

Get your heads out of your asses please "ladies". You all are not real women.

Gross.

I was musing about the "difficulties" of sports classification this morning over my custard danish.

Imagine three people of equal athletic ability and weight.

A has an F on their passport. They were assigned male at birth and now identity as female. They have xy chromosomes, an sry gene and are sensitive to androgens.

B has an F on their passport. They were assigned female at birth and identify as female. They have xy chromosomes, an sry gene and are sensitive to androgens.

C has an M on their passport. They were assigned male at birth and identify as male. They have xy chromosomes, an sry gene and are sensitive to androgens.

C is sad because he's not good enough to qualify for the olympics but he sees his equally mediocre pals A & B smashing it in the women's category.

Should C be able to sue for sex discrimination? We know that entry to the women's category doesn't hinge on self identifying as female as we also have:

D who has an M on their passport, was assigned female at birth, identifies as male, has xx chromosomes, no sry gene and is waiting until their sporting career is over before starting testosterone to avoid doping charges.

What a mess. Three identical male bodies (maybe C has a small willy - lets keep our minds out of their pants as we're told all good allies should), but only C doesn't get to go to the olympics. Won't someone think of the mediocre males that don't get to compete?