What is a woman?

Short of women all living on mountains to gain male pubertal advantages, this is all that is left it seems:

Shouldn't the question be 'Who is a woman?'? As a pronoun 'What' is used for objects whereas 'who' is used for people.

A great description from Dr Hilton

https://x.com/fondofbeetles/status/1823325132435210346?s=46&t=HTxp6zCd4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

There is a massive sticking point with understandings of DSDs and it’s this.

When a person carries a mutation in a gene that is needed for, say, eye development, they may be born with an eye that is small, has structural defects, and/or doesn’t work properly.

They don’t grow an ear in its place.

When a male carries a mutation in a gene that is needed for penis growth, he may well grow a penis that is small, has structural defects and/or doesn’t work properly.

But the nature of genital development in the embryo means that sometimes, he can grow something else instead. And it’s something that we consider a perfectly regular anatomical part of another group of people.

So people, unconsciously perhaps, flip their frameworks. No longer is this is a male who carries a mutation that means his penis didn’t grow properly, this is, in fact, a female, and it’s everything else about that body - all the other stuff that is routinely and boringly male - that must be considered the “mutation”. The Y chromosome is a mutation? Testes development is an anomaly? The prostate and the seminal glands are anomalies? Being able to father children with sperm is some kind of mad, freaky physical process?

This makes no sense. This is how we get “female testes”. And possibly an eye-ear spectrum of sensory organs 😂

And further, nobody would argue against anyone saying, “OK, it’s an ear, but there should have been an eye there.” We all know that humans don’t grow ears where their eyes are supposed to be.

Some thoughts.

Science 'moving on' in front of our eyes.

Describing name changes as 'deadnaming' is such a male-focussed thing - like many of these verbal twitches, a real tell.

Until recently most women in 'western' culture changed their names on marriage (so a woman who remarried after divorce or bereavement changed yet again), but often continued to be known by their original name by people they grew up with. The idea that any of these names were 'deadnames' is beyond ridiculous - though rather revealing that a person wanting to deny responsibility for their own past actions might want to pretend their old self was in some way 'dead'.

Only posting this. A woman is the sex belonging to homo sapiens that produces large gametes (eggs). That's it.

@Ereshkigalangcleg its that bad that I can't tell any more. Mind you I've done tongue in cheek posts that have totally been missed too so I know its easy to miss sometimes

The Rachel Mckinnon i was referring to is the author of the graph. It says that name on it. To use any other name would be outing. Until the person who produced the graph changes the name on it to their new one it would be wrong of me to draw attention to the change. Try educating yourself.

I think that post is tongue in cheek @BaronessEllarawrosaurus

Growing up at high altitudes seems to give pro cyclists an advantage, e.g. the Colombian Nairo Quintana, 'The Condor of the Andes'. I suppose that's to do with improved lung capacity/oxygenation.
I don't think he can punch any harder than any other pro cyclist because of it, though, and I doubt if his female compatriots look like Imane Khelif because of it.

Don’t forget the Spanish coach who discussed the boxing camp where Khelif injured two female well known Spanish boxers and each bout was immediately stopped. And then Khelif had a bout with males and that was ‘evenly matched’.

I am sure that that will be considered out that the Spanish women were just not good enough though.

Thank you, yes!

But Keating, remember someone who thinks that eggs are stored in the uterus feels justified to call those who don’t agree with them names and dehumanises them.

It is all rather incongruous.

🤦‍♀️

More biology lessons needed for this one. Eggs are not produced in the uterus.

This mountains business is a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of something that’s true.

Tibetans and Nepalese have adapted to high altitudes, hence Sherpas supporting mountaineers on Everest.

If I remember correctly they are likely to be short due to reduced blood flow to the placenta.

So if I understand correctly Imane could have bigger lung capacity and a richer blood supply to muscles.

It doesn’t cause women to grow testes though. At least, not according to Wikipedia 😉

The basic biology is that once we're conceived, our chromosomes don't change. Chromosomal mutation & change happens via sexual reproduction: the mixing of the genetic materials of the small and the large gametes at conception.

It's certainly 'high level' biology. So high it's suffering from altitude sickness.

Joana Nwamerue says the Algerian team tried to convince her that Khelif was simply a woman whose chromosomes had been altered by living in the mountains.

This is the advanced biology people have been talking about.

The Rachel Mckinnon i was referring to is the author of the graph. It says that name on it. To use any other name would be outing. Until the person who produced the graph changes the name on it to their new one it would be wrong of me to draw attention to the change. Try educating yourself.

a woman whose chromosomes had been altered by living in the mountains

You what now?

That's .... not ... no. Just no

I'm going with 'really rather small'.

I understood that a coach or coaches had also confirmed a DSD? That is the definitive proof for me. A DSD would be irrelevant for a female boxer. It can only be relevant if the boxer is male. Then you're into whether a DSD makes a man a woman and the answer is clearly no. Because a man cannot be a woman and there are only two sexes in humans. There isn't anything in between and you can't change sex.

Don’t forget the Spanish coach who discussed the boxing camp where Khelif injured two female well known Spanish boxers and each bout was immediately stopped. And then Khelif had a bout with males and that was ‘evenly matched’.

I am sure that that will be considered out that the Spanish women were just not good enough though.

FFS

Chromosomes changed by living at altitude. That is outstanding when you think of it.

Well, my name is now Jackie, but I used to be known by my fullname, Jacqueline. Is it dead-naming and highly offensive when someone calls me this? Must let my mother know.

@Helleofabore thank you for your timeline of events.

OPks been gaslit and seems to be busy trying to share it around.