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Carebearsonmybed · 10/08/2024 21:24

Only X chromosomes

nietzscheanvibe · 10/08/2024 21:23

hellotowel · 10/08/2024 21:21

Right so you're female then. What's this got to do with these boxers?

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Erm... the people describing them as women haven't a fucking clue what a women is? 🤷‍♂️

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 10/08/2024 21:23

@concretevase I can guarantee you that those boxers do not have a uterus, nor do they have periods, nor do they have ovaries. I guarantee you that they have testes, maybe internally but they have them. There is no overlap between the lowest level of males testosterone and the highest level of women's.

They are not women because despite ambiguous genitalia at birth due to a dsd they are male bodied.

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/08/2024 21:23

concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:18

I'm asking the question because I have been completely appalled by the MN threads in response to what's happened at the olympics.

My biggest problem with the trans debate is trans women telling me that 'just because I have a vagina and uterus and I have given birth' I don't know what it means to be a woman, according to trans experience.

I find it absolutely fucked up that those exact things - having a uterus and eggs and periods and having the possibility to have children, having boobs, being a woman, having periods, being born female, having a female name, being raised female are now not even enough to be classified as a woman??

If I am pregnant with a boy I also have high levels of testosterone. If I have PCOS I also have high levels of testosterone. Doesn't mean I'm a man.

I've no idea, to be honest, what you are talking about. Your post is all over the placce and very confused. What is it you are trying to say?

You do know that Khelif has none of the attributes you describe...because of XY chromosomes and having gone through male puberty?

NuffSaidSam · 10/08/2024 21:22

concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:18

I'm asking the question because I have been completely appalled by the MN threads in response to what's happened at the olympics.

My biggest problem with the trans debate is trans women telling me that 'just because I have a vagina and uterus and I have given birth' I don't know what it means to be a woman, according to trans experience.

I find it absolutely fucked up that those exact things - having a uterus and eggs and periods and having the possibility to have children, having boobs, being a woman, having periods, being born female, having a female name, being raised female are now not even enough to be classified as a woman??

If I am pregnant with a boy I also have high levels of testosterone. If I have PCOS I also have high levels of testosterone. Doesn't mean I'm a man.

I think the more interesting question is how do you know so much about the biology of these boxers?! So much more than anyone else!

Ingenieur · 10/08/2024 21:22

concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:18

I'm asking the question because I have been completely appalled by the MN threads in response to what's happened at the olympics.

My biggest problem with the trans debate is trans women telling me that 'just because I have a vagina and uterus and I have given birth' I don't know what it means to be a woman, according to trans experience.

I find it absolutely fucked up that those exact things - having a uterus and eggs and periods and having the possibility to have children, having boobs, being a woman, having periods, being born female, having a female name, being raised female are now not even enough to be classified as a woman??

If I am pregnant with a boy I also have high levels of testosterone. If I have PCOS I also have high levels of testosterone. Doesn't mean I'm a man.

I think I'd misunderstood where you were coming from.

Yes, the experience of transwomen bears no relation to women. They cannot know what it's like to be a woman, because they aren't one. Whatever they imagine to be "living like a woman" is just that: imagination.

There isn't a right way or a wrong way to "be a woman", but you first need to be a woman...

hellotowel · 10/08/2024 21:21

concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:18

I'm asking the question because I have been completely appalled by the MN threads in response to what's happened at the olympics.

My biggest problem with the trans debate is trans women telling me that 'just because I have a vagina and uterus and I have given birth' I don't know what it means to be a woman, according to trans experience.

I find it absolutely fucked up that those exact things - having a uterus and eggs and periods and having the possibility to have children, having boobs, being a woman, having periods, being born female, having a female name, being raised female are now not even enough to be classified as a woman??

If I am pregnant with a boy I also have high levels of testosterone. If I have PCOS I also have high levels of testosterone. Doesn't mean I'm a man.

Right so you're female then. What's this got to do with these boxers?

C0rdeliaChase · 10/08/2024 21:20

concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:18

I'm asking the question because I have been completely appalled by the MN threads in response to what's happened at the olympics.

My biggest problem with the trans debate is trans women telling me that 'just because I have a vagina and uterus and I have given birth' I don't know what it means to be a woman, according to trans experience.

I find it absolutely fucked up that those exact things - having a uterus and eggs and periods and having the possibility to have children, having boobs, being a woman, having periods, being born female, having a female name, being raised female are now not even enough to be classified as a woman??

If I am pregnant with a boy I also have high levels of testosterone. If I have PCOS I also have high levels of testosterone. Doesn't mean I'm a man.

But these boxers can't get pregnant. They have (presumably) undescended testes, they went through male puberty, they failed a sex test. They have a Y chromosome.

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concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:20

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/08/2024 21:17

How old are the other Algerian female boxers, anyone know? You'd have thought in Muslim countries there would be significant pressure on a woman to marry and have children by the time she got to her early 20s?

what in the islamophobia is this comment all about

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Ingenieur · 10/08/2024 21:18

Ingenieur · 10/08/2024 21:00

Sex is defined as the potential to produce one of two gametes, and is determined by a person's genetics.

Oh, and to round off my logical puzzle, woman, man, male and female are all sex-based terms and always have been.

nietzscheanvibe · 10/08/2024 21:18

Adult human female (no need to complicate things).

TheBizzies · 10/08/2024 21:18

A woman is an adult human female

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concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:18

I'm asking the question because I have been completely appalled by the MN threads in response to what's happened at the olympics.

My biggest problem with the trans debate is trans women telling me that 'just because I have a vagina and uterus and I have given birth' I don't know what it means to be a woman, according to trans experience.

I find it absolutely fucked up that those exact things - having a uterus and eggs and periods and having the possibility to have children, having boobs, being a woman, having periods, being born female, having a female name, being raised female are now not even enough to be classified as a woman??

If I am pregnant with a boy I also have high levels of testosterone. If I have PCOS I also have high levels of testosterone. Doesn't mean I'm a man.

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Shortshriftandlethal · 10/08/2024 21:17

How old are the other Algerian female boxers, anyone know? You'd have thought in Muslim countries there would be significant pressure on a woman to marry and have children by the time she got to her early 20s?

hellotowel · 10/08/2024 21:16

How are these men going to give birth, out their arseholes? Ridiculous.

C0rdeliaChase · 10/08/2024 21:15

concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:02

So someone who has eggs in their uterus...

Eggs only reach your uterus when they're fertilised. Otherwise they're stored in our ovaries.

Runor · 10/08/2024 21:14

And, assuming it is about a boxer, I’d love to see your source OP, you seem so very much better informed than the IBA/IOC rest of us

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/08/2024 21:14

I'm always surprised at how little some people, mainly men, understand about female biology. Even my husband, recently, seemed uncertain as to just what a cervix was........and we know about David Lammy.

AreWeSeparated · 10/08/2024 21:13

concretevase · 10/08/2024 20:57

I just wanted to clarify what everyone thought this meant given recent events at the olympics.

A person born with a uterus and vagina, raised female, with boobs and has periods and the ability to carry and birth a child is not a woman?

If you are talking about the boxers, how do you know they each have a vagina, uterus and periods?

The presence of breast tissue and how they were raised is irrelevant

JellySaurus · 10/08/2024 21:13

given recent events at the olympics.

There is absolutely no evidence that either one of these individuals has boobs and has periods and the ability to carry and birth a child

Even if those attributes were what defines a woman.

A woman is an adult human female. For 99.999% of women, this means she has no Y chromosome.

JaneJeffer · 10/08/2024 21:12

Not someone who looks like a man and punches like a man

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/08/2024 21:11

concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:09

Gametes are reproductive cells, also known as sex cells, found in animals and plants. In animals, female gametes are called ova or egg cells, and male gametes are called sperm.

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Yes, but eggs are stored in the ovaries...not in the uterus.

Runor · 10/08/2024 21:10

I bet this about a boxer (or two)?

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/08/2024 21:09

concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:02

So someone who has eggs in their uterus...

An adult human female - regardless of whether they are fertile or not.

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concretevase · 10/08/2024 21:09

user1471538275 · 10/08/2024 21:06

Eggs in their uterus???? Someone failed biology

Gametes are reproductive cells, also known as sex cells, found in animals and plants. In animals, female gametes are called ova or egg cells, and male gametes are called sperm.

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