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Thread 4: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men? *”Two athletes competing at...

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BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 13/08/2024 14:44

@GargoylesofBeelzebub I hadn't put those two things together, but obviously that's why they dropped the appeal! 😮

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/08/2024 14:37

MessinaBloom · 13/08/2024 11:30

@NoBinturongsHereMate

Medical testimony from Imane's own coaching team. Specifically, the doctor responsible.for hormone adjustments.- who confirmed both the chromosome and hormone 'abnormalities'.

This can mean a range of things.it doesn't automatically mean 'male'.

Given that the results of their own testing caused them to drop the appeal against the IBA ruling it is self evident what the results were.

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 13/08/2024 14:29

Which given he goes on to mention "her sensitivity" is probably a case of him believing in ladybrain

Ingenieur · 13/08/2024 14:13

NoBinturongsHereMate · 13/08/2024 13:54

Well, given the confirmations were specifically of chromosome abnormalities that made him devastated to learn he was 'not a girl' and of testosterone levels too high to compete as a woman if the Olympics did any testing (which have now supposedly been reduced to what the coach says is 'equivalent to a woman-woman-woman'), I think we can be pretty clear that it does indeed mean male.

Yes, quite.

The words used by the coach were as follows:

“After the 2023 World Championships, where she was disqualified, I took the lead by contacting a renowned endocrinologist at the Paris University Hospital, Kremlin-Bicêtre, who examined her. He confirmed that Imane is indeed a woman, despite her karyotype and testosterone level."

@MessinaBloom

There would be no need for him to use the word "despite" if the results of the karyotype and testosterone were actually that of a female person. He is obviously using some other unsaid definition of woman that is unrelated to those the rest of society uses.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 13/08/2024 13:54

MessinaBloom · 13/08/2024 11:30

@NoBinturongsHereMate

Medical testimony from Imane's own coaching team. Specifically, the doctor responsible.for hormone adjustments.- who confirmed both the chromosome and hormone 'abnormalities'.

This can mean a range of things.it doesn't automatically mean 'male'.

Well, given the confirmations were specifically of chromosome abnormalities that made him devastated to learn he was 'not a girl' and of testosterone levels too high to compete as a woman if the Olympics did any testing (which have now supposedly been reduced to what the coach says is 'equivalent to a woman-woman-woman'), I think we can be pretty clear that it does indeed mean male.

Helleofabore · 13/08/2024 13:41

MessinaBloom · 13/08/2024 11:30

@NoBinturongsHereMate

Medical testimony from Imane's own coaching team. Specifically, the doctor responsible.for hormone adjustments.- who confirmed both the chromosome and hormone 'abnormalities'.

This can mean a range of things.it doesn't automatically mean 'male'.

Only one chromosome genotype would mean non-eligibility to the IBA XX specification.

And only one group of humans have to ‘suppress testosterone’ to compete in a female sports category under any specification that had been widened to include some male athletes.

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2024 13:08

SigrunGard · 13/08/2024 12:45

Now you mention it, given my raised T levels due the PCOS as well, I probably am!

Makes as much sense as most of what were expected to accept!

Now, boss - about that pay gap…

Well quite.

Do they really think women are THAT thick?

yourhairiswinterfire · 13/08/2024 13:02

MessinaBloom · 13/08/2024 11:30

@NoBinturongsHereMate

Medical testimony from Imane's own coaching team. Specifically, the doctor responsible.for hormone adjustments.- who confirmed both the chromosome and hormone 'abnormalities'.

This can mean a range of things.it doesn't automatically mean 'male'.

If the IBA were going to make something up to justify disqualifying these two boxers, don't you think falsely accusing them of being men would be the dumbest way to go about it, due to how easy it would be for the boxers to prove it's a lie?

Bit of a coincidence that the two boxers the IBA flagged as having male chromosomes and an unfair and unsafe advantage over women won every single round of all of their fights against women at the Olympics if the IBA are fibbing, isn't it? Something no other boxers in the women's category managed.

Maybe the IBA have a crystal ball and concocted their dastardly plan based on what they saw in the future.

Or maybe they're just telling the truth because there's no reason to lie about it?

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 13/08/2024 12:46

quantumbutterfly · 13/08/2024 12:43

Perhaps you climbed trees to access your y chromosome. How tall were the trees?

They were mature Bramley apple trees so not that big, BUT I also spent a lot of time running about on the Long Mynd so maybe that was what caused the Y to activate.

SigrunGard · 13/08/2024 12:45

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2024 12:15

Chemically induced menopause?

So you are now a man then? Just trying to get my head around where is safe to go.

Now you mention it, given my raised T levels due the PCOS as well, I probably am!

Makes as much sense as most of what were expected to accept!

Now, boss - about that pay gap…

misscockerspaniel · 13/08/2024 12:43

I live at sea level. (Just putting that out there in case anyone wants to throw money at researching this v imp issue).

quantumbutterfly · 13/08/2024 12:43

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 13/08/2024 12:40

I skipped as a child but not since then. Mainly I was a tomboy, climbed trees, had fights with my brothers and such like. Maybe I'm multi-gender.

Perhaps you climbed trees to access your y chromosome. How tall were the trees?

quantumbutterfly · 13/08/2024 12:41

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 13/08/2024 12:38

I need to know whether high altitude causes X chromosomes to become Y's, or whether it causes changes to sex chromosomes regardless.

Cause I'm not particularly bothered if I grow a Y - kids are birthed and fed, and I'm not an elite athlete!

But if my DS's Y's can also become X's, I may need to move to a lower altitude.

(Also does a very low altitude cause the opposite, or does it just prevent changes? This area definitely needs more study)

There must be grants available, I hear interested genderwang parties are well funded.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 13/08/2024 12:40

quantumbutterfly · 13/08/2024 12:35

I think altitude makes you manly ( must be why men are on average taller ) in the lowlands you must be ultrafeminie, do you skip a lot?

I skipped as a child but not since then. Mainly I was a tomboy, climbed trees, had fights with my brothers and such like. Maybe I'm multi-gender.

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 13/08/2024 12:38

I need to know whether high altitude causes X chromosomes to become Y's, or whether it causes changes to sex chromosomes regardless.

Cause I'm not particularly bothered if I grow a Y - kids are birthed and fed, and I'm not an elite athlete!

But if my DS's Y's can also become X's, I may need to move to a lower altitude.

(Also does a very low altitude cause the opposite, or does it just prevent changes? This area definitely needs more study)

quantumbutterfly · 13/08/2024 12:35

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 13/08/2024 12:33

What happens if you live below sea level, like in Amsterdam? Do you turn into a hairy male beast thing?

I think altitude makes you manly ( must be why men are on average taller ) in the lowlands you must be ultrafeminie, do you skip a lot?

quantumbutterfly · 13/08/2024 12:33

ChishiyaBat · 13/08/2024 12:25

I live here, what is going to happen to me?

Do you feel the urge to join a male voice choir?

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 13/08/2024 12:33

What happens if you live below sea level, like in Amsterdam? Do you turn into a hairy male beast thing?

quantumbutterfly · 13/08/2024 12:32

I've spent a few breaks in Snowdonia and I live on a hill. How manly am I?

Maybe I should get a bungalow in Cambridgeshire....but rising sea levels.....what a dilemma.

ChishiyaBat · 13/08/2024 12:25

I live here, what is going to happen to me?

Thread 4: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
Zeugma · 13/08/2024 12:15

I just went to a wedding in Runcorn once, but the church was on a hill. Worried now. 😳

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2024 12:15

SigrunGard · 13/08/2024 12:06

Ah think I may be able assist here having lived in Runcorn for the last 20 years and the previous 33 over the water in Widnes!

I still seem to be a pesky female (despite having PCOS….) as my breast cancer treatment has definitely been tailored towards that sex ( hello chemically induced menopause)

But then I was born in Widnes in the 70s so who knows what affect the environment those days would have had!

Chemically induced menopause?

So you are now a man then? Just trying to get my head around where is safe to go.

SigrunGard · 13/08/2024 12:06

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2024 09:27

Shit. If your chromosomes change in the hills due to the environment, can someone explain wtf happens to you if you go to Runcorn please?

(Sorry Runcorn but we need to establish some 'facts' here)

Ah think I may be able assist here having lived in Runcorn for the last 20 years and the previous 33 over the water in Widnes!

I still seem to be a pesky female (despite having PCOS….) as my breast cancer treatment has definitely been tailored towards that sex ( hello chemically induced menopause)

But then I was born in Widnes in the 70s so who knows what affect the environment those days would have had!

ChaChaChooey · 13/08/2024 12:03

Mountaineering in a silky dressing gown is inadvisable.

quantumbutterfly · 13/08/2024 11:55

Do you actually have to go to the mountains or can you just watch the sound of music?