Thread 4: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

It's almost like he has no idea what he's talking about.

Is there a thread about JKR being sued by the fragrant Imane?

Oh he is so very concerned about this tiny percentage of male intersex athletes ,why no one thinks about their future and the effect on their mental health, why dont the coaches think about that when they seek them out to put them in the spotlight!!!!

Well, he starts with a shonky strawman and I assume it builds from there.

I'll bet all five of his chins were quivering with outrage when he wrote that bilge.

I can't see this shared anywhere. I think it's pretty safe to say that women and their right to safety and fairness are not a major concern for Martin Samuel:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/fd3425a5-eec6-438b-9375-7f0b465d59e1?shareToken=79d64a4de6550450c68d27f8440052ea

That pesky reality always has a habit of getting in the way of non-scientific belief systems, tsk!

I find myself in that inexplicable piece of conversation where I say "I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you".

All the time, in every area, pushing the idea that what the word 'woman' means is somehow flexible, and open to debate. It isn't. But the fuckers will continue to try chipping away.

Well, that is what is being pushed for. Just a continuation of the usual "a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman."

"Despite" problems with chromosomes, karyotypes, etc.

I am Welsh born&bred, but can speak more Japanese than Welsh😂.

Maybe chimpanzees might work?
Similar to humans but will absolutely rip a man apart no questions asked

I've been arguing this with dimwits on social media who just focus exclusively on the "is a woman" part.

Love it. The lyrics have a beautiful meaning too. See now you've got me wanting to learn welsh.

We get this around here, it's so lovely.

https://youtube.com/shorts/dD8qy9B5sCg?si=x6NmotoARmXG8tvA

Me too & am not even Welsh. The only boys allowed version was beautiful, my dad would have shed a tear.

That did make me laugh😂😂😂. Thankfully not because i'm a rubbish singer, I do love a bit of Calon lan though.

ChaChaChooey · Today 12:03

Mountaineering in a silky dressing gown is inadvisable.

And he might need something heavier duty, if he wants to murder a bear, for example...

https://x.com/Keithkellart/status/1823128242284384545

NoBinturongsHereMate · Today 09:55

You're forgetting:

Medical testimony from Imane's own coaching team. Specifically, the doctor responsible.for hormone adjustments.- who confirmed both the chromosome and hormone 'abnormalities'.

https://www.fishermanswharf.org/things-to-do/attractions/sea-lions/

For those determined to write-off anything but a released statement from the boxers along with test results or strangely, the IOC, stating that they are male athletes with a specified DSD, we will have posters who will continue to cycle around with the 'no evidence presented' argument. That is where we are at the moment it seems.

Helleofabore But, I suspect that because none of it has come directly from Khelif or the team management, it will conveniently be dismissed as 'hearsay'.

But that's what makes the Georges Cazorla interview with Le Point so valuable - his words, direct speech, no doubts about meaning:

" At the end of 2022, Nasser contacted me to offer me the chance to help Imane Khelif prepare for the World Championships, the African Championships and the Olympic Games. So I came out of retirement ....
He [an unnamed endocrinologist] confirmed that Imane is indeed a woman, despite her karyotype and her testosterone level. He said: "There is a problem with her hormones, with her chromosomes, but she is a woman." That's all that mattered to us. "

That's not hearsay, it's straight de la bouche du cheval, and it pretty much puts the tin lid on any of the IKIAW arguments.

Known for their aggression and fighting.

https://wamas.org/forums/topic/93805-clownfish-fighting-locking-lips-biting-gills/

Probably clownfish.

If I was a dastardly villainous sports federation who wanted to be rid of an athlete from the sport or the championship or whatever, for my dastardly mysterious Russian purposes I wouldn't concoct a fake "gender" test that could be easily disproved. I'd dump some banned substance of some kind in their sample by sleight of hand before sending it to the independent laboratory. I'm sure there's procedures to stop this kind of thing happening but it'd be harder to prove my dastardly deed than, you know, getting a cheek swab of a static feature and sharing the results.

Yes. Quite. When I heard about the French doctor's assessment, I too assumed that it was why the appeal was dropped.

But, I suspect that because none of it has come directly from Khelif or the team management, it will conveniently be dismissed as 'hearsay'. I don't believe that anything will not be treated this way unless it is presented in court and I don't believe that it will get to that point ever.

In the meantime, anyone who questions and who argues the point with more certainty than some posters like will be censured and dismissed. Inadvertently this situation has created a perfect opportunity to vilify and demonise people who are raising questions and stating that the IOC has allowed female athlete's human rights to be violated. There are threads and threads of this happening on MN and all over social media and news media.