Thread 4: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

It's as if not being able to have all the working parts of a man automatically makes him a woman.

Like the Olympics, that goes back to ancient Greece. Women are defective men, therefore by extrapolatiion 'defective' men are women.

My absolute favourite argument is about him suing for libel. I can't wait to follow that case!

Although I am appalled at how badly this has been handled by the IOC I do feel uncomfortable at how much Khelif has been singled out for criticism.

i think she's being used by the IOC, who are hiding behind her rights as an individual. But they will be quite happy to throw her under a bus if it came down to it.

Of course she should never have been put in this position in the first place, and she hasn't helped her case much either, she shouldn't have engaged in the discussion.

Hopefully this will bring about a meaningful change, having alerted so many people around the world to the real issues.

Musk put a spanner in the social media thought control experiment. He let a lot of allies go when he took over twitter.

He may be upsetting some powerful people.

It's amazing.

Didn't someone pop in earlier this week to inform us that he was capable of birthing a child?

I wonder if they believe it or are they just being really,really kind?

I've run out of words at this point. Musk is a maniac but at least we can attempt to have the discussion on X. This is sinister, disturbing, choose your own adjective.

I know, it's really concerning. Facebook is the biggest social media platform globally by some way.

Seems to be a real epidemic of people with x ray eyes who can all see Khelif's uterus 🤔

I am seeing comments like this but a lot of push back in the responses.

I'm not sure about "everyone". There are plenty of morons people posting nonsense on social media, and lots claiming to know details of Khelif's medical history and details of his physiology, though as far as I am aware the only public medical information is that Khelif is XY. In the past few days I've read many comments saying that Khelif is a woman with high testosterone (I don't think it's ever been measured), the Khelif has ovaries and a vagina, and even an article claiming that Khelif is a female with Swyer syndrome. That last one got lots of likes and supportive comments. They are all making up crap and people believe it.

I've run out of words at this point. Musk is a maniac but at least we can attempt to have the discussion on X. This is sinister, disturbing, choose your own adjective.

I'm definitely seeing a lot of push back on sm. The original post all appear to be very scripted when they are for khelif for example: I need to apologise, I let the comments carry me along but now I've discovered the truth and can only apologise for how bigoted I was etc etc. The ones against khelif read much more naturally. The posts trying to confirm khelif is female are getting a lot of pushback, links and factual comments being posted on them. The majority are not happy with this

@ResisterofTwaddleRex posted this on the thread about misgendering, I thought it was relevant to this one:

Malice or ill will. Like this? Or maybe not as this seems to have moved straight into censorship, with Dawkins guessing as to why:

"My entire @facebook account has been deleted, seemingly (no reason given) because I tweeted that genetically male boxers such as Imane Khalif (XY undisputed) should not fight women in Olympics. Of course my opinion is open to civilised argument. But outright censorship?"

"To clarify. I made the statement on @X, not on Facebook. Yet is it my @Facebook account which is deleted."

x.com/richarddawkins/status/1822166372819853352?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/richarddawkins/status/1822171008016457788?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Of course we will all remember in the future, that any man who identifies as trans who has male on his original birth certificate and was raised a boy, can’t override that by this logic.

@TheKeatingFive
Yes, this.
We can only hope.

I'm not sure, I think it's a bit of a grey area legally.

I didn't think of that - interesting (in a horrible way for those of us who just observe, so much more for the competitors). So could the usual suspects challenge even the sporting orgs who do restrict based on sex?

Warms your cockles doesn't it? & his too by the looks of it.

I am slightly heartened by this point however ...

Despite the IOC's attempts to silence the media, and widespread compliance from the MSM, this has dominated the conversation - and not in a good way.

The press conferences have been dominated by it. Their X posts are taken over by it, regardless of subject.

While many are playing along, significant numbers aren't. It's not a good look. More and more are speaking out - Barry McGuigan and Nicola Adams have been notable additions to the debate.

Seb Coe has (carefully) made his feelings know. I can't imagine the federations for Athletics, Swimming and Cycling are regretting the decisions they took on sex segregation for a second.

The captured are captured, but there are many fence sitters who must be watching this and concluding it's not the road they want to go down. This includes other sports federations. But I'm also thinking of the Labour Party (Starmer has good reason to be paying attention).

So my hope is that this will be a turning point, though a more subtle one than we might have hoped. Perhaps I am naive, but I hope not.

Also big shout out to Reduxx who broke the story in the first place. Non mainstream media are a big part of the resistance and will continue to be. There are also brave figures like the guy in The Telegraph whose name escapes me.

So this time round (as far as we know) it's a DSD which gives the all important F marker. Next time out though, there're a huge number of countries who allow self id on passports and if they get the public to accept this then there're golds up for grabs.

It's in California too, where self ID is the law, and any restrictions might fall foul of it.

For many young women in UK I think it is, for those in Iran, not wearing hijab is a political statement, a dangerous one.

Reminds me of the Ricky Gervais film 'the discovery of lying'.

I think it is a more likely outcome that women boxers will refuse to fight a man. Then Khelif could get his gold medal without any boxing taking place. That would kill the sport quite quickly. Women who have had to fight him should sue the IOC over safeguarding and putting them in a potentially lethal situation having to fight against someone who is so obviously male.

I'm off to have a gander at that.

Comments on Wales Online (Facebook) are 100% against atm. It'll change, but that's a positive start