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Nearly 900 doctors sign letter urging BMA to abandon inquiry into Cass review

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IwantToRetire · 09/08/2024 17:57

(sorry if already posted - really struggling with MN search function Angry)

Not in Our Name BMA

We note that the sources the BMA is relying on to cast doubt on the review are authored by groups with serious conflicts of interest and have not been through peer-review.

Full text of letter and option to sign for members at https://notinournamebma.co.uk/open-letter-not-in-our-name-bma/

Not In Our Name BMA

Open letter to the British Medical Association from BMA members & medical professionals.

One of Dr Cass’s recommendations was: “Professional bodies must come together to provide leadership and guidance on the clinical management of this population taking account of the findings of this…

https://notinournamebma.co.uk/open-letter-not-in-our-name-bma

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IwantToRetire · 01/09/2024 02:06

The fear now is that this row provides a distraction from the vital task of delivering a safe and compassionate gender service for children and young people. The most recent figures suggest that more than 5,700 are on the waiting list to be seen. Having let down this group of children so badly in the past, it would be unforgivable to do so again.

This is so true. And ironically Hannah Barnes has contributed to that. I wonder if it would have made a difference if she / others waited until the vote and then expose.

All this of course because the moment there is a critical article, the usual suspect rush round over stating conspiracies etc.

Although in this instance I think that because the upcoming vote was in the public domain it maybe made a few who would have just gone with the flow, think they needed to step back.

What a mess.

But also, so good to know so many Doctors are willing to take a stand.

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IwantToRetire · 01/09/2024 02:00

Not sure why but sometime I have been unable to use archive links that include ".ph"

So if anyone else is having problems with the link above try https://archive.is/67hqP

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lcakethereforeIam · 01/09/2024 01:42

Hannah Barnes in the Times on how a small cohort of the BMA took control and the piss

https://archive.ph/67hqP bypass paywall

www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/politics-power-and-puberty-blockers-the-trans-row-dividing-the-bma-xl52dgdmb

Taytoface · 29/08/2024 18:16

That is a beautifully written piece.

Telling children this process can be “paused” or avoided entirely is as meaningful as telling them they can be made immortal. It is telling them they can get out of being human rather than helping them to live. Some doctors — hopefully most — are still doing the latter. The would-be gods of the BMA union ought to halt their “evaluations” and learn from them instead.

Taytoface · 29/08/2024 07:27

Instead of getting back in their box, the BMA is going on a witch hunt for who leaked to the press. There needs to be a vote of no confidence in the leadership

www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/aug/29/witch-hunt-bma-tries-to-identify-who-leaked-planned-opposition-to-cass-review

lcakethereforeIam · 28/08/2024 11:32

Jo Bartosch has an excellent article

https://archive.ph/NfYyK paywall jump

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/27/the-activist-bma-has-betrayed-medicine/

Forgive this rather long quote

More widely, the sickness of the BMA has not only harmed patients, it has left clinicians unsupported. The union hasn’t found the time to condemn the harassment and persecution of clinicians by transgender activists. No public support has been offered, for example, to the twenty-six female nurses who have had to take legal action after County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust allowed a biological male who identified as transgender to get changed alongside them. The nurses were told to “re-educate” themselves despite reporting inappropriate behaviour by their male colleague.

Moreover, Banfield opted not to praise the whistleblowers from the scandal-struck Tavistock clinic, brave and experienced therapists many of whom were monstered, and some forced out of the NHS, for simply trying to protect the interests of confused young people.

And not one person who voted to reject Cass found the time to speak up on the impossible situation for BMA members who are now expected to routinely ask men if they might be pregnant during hospital appointments. Meanwhile, the BMA has found time to release statements on the conflict in Gaza, the killing of George Floyd, keeping communities safe from fascists on British streets and the situation in Afghanistan.

The TQ+ activist mentioned upthread comes across as forceful and energetic. Although I've not seen interviews with any of the others and prepared statements tell you little of the character and motivation of the people putting their names to them. However, I can imagine a forceful and energetic character, with transphobia metaphorically in their back pocket, being able to bamboozle and steamroller others on subjects that perhaps aren't important to them, or where they see not harm in complying. The silence though, in areas where they should be supporting their members, that speaks very loudly as to their character.

The activist-captured BMA has betrayed medicine

The doctors’ union is putting trans ideology ahead of clinical evidence and its members’ interests

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/27/the-activist-bma-has-betrayed-medicine

EdithStourton · 27/08/2024 09:32

PaterPower · 27/08/2024 02:05

People like this get voted into union positions (almost all unions, not just the BMA) because the majority of members are not particularly active and either don’t bother to vote, when candidates stand for election, or don’t take the time to find out what their values are.

It means that the activists standing for union positions can leverage the votes of fellow activists to take office. And, once there, can manipulate the union’s processes to keep themselves in office.

Happens in charities too.

Byjimminy · 27/08/2024 09:16

I don't understand how they're saying the ban on pbs goes further than the recommendations, have I missed something?

olympicsrock · 27/08/2024 08:08

I signed the letter because I think the Cass review is important and should be respected. It wasn’t the place of the BMA to challenge the report.

ReadWithScepticism · 27/08/2024 07:53

CautiousLurker · 27/08/2024 07:47

It’s why there is no place for unions in democratic government and the main reason I won’t vote labour. The unions have too much power vis a vis the ordinary voter when it comes to policy, manifesto and its leadership.

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I think there is a place for them in principle, it's just that - in practice - their status as genuine grassroots mass movements has been hollowed out, which has led to them being wildly unrepresentative. Nothing reveals that more than the damage they are doing on this particular issue of women's rights. But the same has happened/is happening with the Labour Party too. It is no longer an authentically grassroots organisation, controlled by its members.

I don't know what the answer is, but I still view the trades union funding model as less undemocratic than the funding models of other major parties.

CautiousLurker · 27/08/2024 07:47

PaterPower · 27/08/2024 02:05

People like this get voted into union positions (almost all unions, not just the BMA) because the majority of members are not particularly active and either don’t bother to vote, when candidates stand for election, or don’t take the time to find out what their values are.

It means that the activists standing for union positions can leverage the votes of fellow activists to take office. And, once there, can manipulate the union’s processes to keep themselves in office.

It’s why there is no place for unions in democratic government and the main reason I won’t vote labour. The unions have too much power vis a vis the ordinary voter when it comes to policy, manifesto and its leadership.

ArabellaScott · 27/08/2024 07:38

PaterPower · 27/08/2024 02:05

People like this get voted into union positions (almost all unions, not just the BMA) because the majority of members are not particularly active and either don’t bother to vote, when candidates stand for election, or don’t take the time to find out what their values are.

It means that the activists standing for union positions can leverage the votes of fellow activists to take office. And, once there, can manipulate the union’s processes to keep themselves in office.

Exactly as it goes in political parties.

PaterPower · 27/08/2024 02:05

People like this get voted into union positions (almost all unions, not just the BMA) because the majority of members are not particularly active and either don’t bother to vote, when candidates stand for election, or don’t take the time to find out what their values are.

It means that the activists standing for union positions can leverage the votes of fellow activists to take office. And, once there, can manipulate the union’s processes to keep themselves in office.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/08/2024 01:33

Pronouns in the bio is just the beginning

Nearly 900 doctors sign letter urging BMA to abandon inquiry into Cass review
Nearly 900 doctors sign letter urging BMA to abandon inquiry into Cass review
WandsOut · 27/08/2024 00:24

www.bma.org.uk/about-us/about-the-bma/how-we-work/leadership-at-the-bma

List of staff. Note Emma.

LizzieSiddal · 26/08/2024 23:33

ArabellaScott · 26/08/2024 20:24

'The selfish political climbers who have somehow managed to take control of the BMA must be stopped, otherwise the BMA will die; its corrupt hierarchy is dragging it into the gutter as we speak.'

Crikey.

Bloody hell. Well said that person.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 26/08/2024 21:58

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13781747/BMA-revolt-Cass-review-Doctors-quit-opposition-review-gender-identity-services-children.html

Doctors are quitting the British Medical Association in revolt at its opposition to a landmark review into gender identity services for children.
Many members, including NHS leaders and former presidents of medical royal colleges, have voiced their dismay over the report, led by paediatrician Hilary Cass.
They have accused the BMA of being influenced by a 'vocal minority' with an ideological agenda.
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Jacky Davis, a consultant radiologist and council member, told The Times: 'This minority has voted to block the implementation of Cass, an evidence-based review which took four years to put together.
'They have no evidence for their opposition. The Cass review is not a matter for a trade union. It is not our business as a union to be doing a critique of the Cass review. It is a waste of time and resources.'
In response, more than 1,400 doctors, including nearly 70 professors and 23 former or current presidents of medical royal colleges, signed an open letter urging the BMA to drop its opposition to the Cass review.
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One signatory called for a 'vote of no confidence in BMA leadership' and another commenting that 'activists appear to have been allowed to take over'.
Despite the BMA's stance, the NHS remains committed to implementing the review's recommendations.
Professor Philip Banfield, chairman of the BMA council, said a 'task and finish' group set up to evaluate the Cass report would report on progress at the end of the year.

Doctors quit over review into gender identity services for children

Many members of the British Medical Association have voiced their dismay and quit over a landmark review into gender identity services for children, led by paediatrician Hilary Cass (pictured).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13781747/BMA-revolt-Cass-review-Doctors-quit-opposition-review-gender-identity-services-children.html

NitroNine · 26/08/2024 20:29

Quite the way with words that blogger - I felt it would be rude not to share @ArabellaScott !

ArabellaScott · 26/08/2024 20:24

'The selfish political climbers who have somehow managed to take control of the BMA must be stopped, otherwise the BMA will die; its corrupt hierarchy is dragging it into the gutter as we speak.'

Crikey.

NitroNine · 26/08/2024 19:51

Tom Dolphin has been winning over his colleagues for almost 2 decades now - & apparently was an infamous misogynist even before it was cool to deny women exist as a discrete class into which one cannot identify…

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/08/2024 19:22

The comments are, as usual very cross. With lots of doctors who've left the BMA commenting.

lcakethereforeIam · 26/08/2024 18:58

Another article in the Times

https://archive.ph/h14RC bypass paywall

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/bma-members-resign-in-revolt-over-transgender-children-stance-nvqd0vgv5

Perhaps I'm being unfair to the BMA but i find myself angry that a fucking union has the arrogance to think it can mark Dr Cass's homework. They should stay in their lane, perhaps look into the concerns of doctors who think they're breaking their Hippocratic Oath if they prescribe wrong sex hormones.

BMA members resign in revolt over transgender children stance

Hundreds of doctors have left the British Medical Association in protest at its opposition to the Cass review into the use of puberty blockers

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/bma-members-resign-in-revolt-over-transgender-children-stance-nvqd0vgv5

PorcelinaV · 10/08/2024 23:01

TheKeatingFive · 10/08/2024 18:40

I do not pretend to know anything about the world of medicine, but my understanding is that the BMA is a trade union. What are are they doing getting involved in professional policy? Is this not crazy overreach?

Well, if Amnesty International and Liberty can get involved in the Cass Review...

PorcelinaV · 10/08/2024 22:59

FrippEnos · 09/08/2024 19:06

In this case I would say 'follow the money'.
As I wonder how many of those at the top of the BMA are linked to the pharmacy companies that would be supplying the drugs to these people for the rest of their lives.

It's common enough that unions are involved in "progressive" activism, so I don't think there needs to be a financial motive in play. Simply an "oppressed group" that the BMA can help with experimental medications and surgery.