Wow! Look whats in the Guardian.

Might as well put this here, but one small takeaway I got from this is that The Independent is way more batshit on this than the Guardian! They have practically wetting themselves over Khelif for days now.

The cheek swap will reveal XX or XY. Only if there's an XY will any further testing need to be done, surely 🤔

Oh I think we might have done as Hadley Freeman and Julie Blindel both used to write in The Guardian a while back

FunnyLady27 · Today 09:14

From The G yesterday by Nathalie Tocci.

What a contemptible article by a journalist who is risibly uninformed about boxing. The Guardian know that's the case, it's in Comment is Free, but unless I have an error, comments have not been opened.

Again, like similar ones, you can submit a 300 word letter, which won't pass the Gender Gestapo, of course.

This really is wow! Though The Guardian and the BBC still have a long way to go to regain my trust.

I suspect the Guardian is publishing the occasional pro-women story to try to look balanced and persuade back some of its many lost readers. The BBC has recently been criticised in the press for its poor reporting on gender issues. Maybe senior management at both are starting to see the cost of the damage they’ve allowed transactivist staff to do.

Meanwhile, I agree, let’s celebrate every bit of good news.

The Guardian article is excellent though. I had to check it wasn’t Sunday!

I still think the BBC article is obfuscating. It doesn't seem to mention the specific DSD that's suspected, for instance. Still, far better than previous.

Me too. As well as not referring to these athletes likely DSD there are several paragraphs about a phenotypically female person who it turns out is XY. This is completely irrelevant to the athletes in the Olympics who have clearly gone through male puberty and are obviously male. The BBC are still going with “it’s ever so complicated” when it really isn’t. great they’ve quoted EH though. Perhaps it’s a shift in the right direction.

What I don't understand is why they don't prove they're eligible to fight in the female category.
If I was being accused of cheating, which is what this is, I'd be carrying the proof of my eligibility in my bra and whipping it out every time I was accused. Wouldn't give a shit about people calling me male (although to be fair I haven't been through finding out I had a DSD and that my sex isn't what I'd believed it to be for the first years of my life, so who knows how I'd actually feel in that situation). But I'd be horrified at being labelled a cheat. The fact that they're keeping quiet is for me one of the biggest indications that we are right and they are male (oh and I have eyes)

Sex Matters really are a top bunch, aren't they? Everything I see from them is so clear and informative.

I don't think anyone has forgotten that. I certainly haven't.

Eh? Sorry if you felt I was "running them down" or "ignoring" them, of course it's better than it used to be, nobody's attacking you for posting it. I'm just noting their usual obfuscations and expressing my frustrations with them, not you. It's like pulling teeth sometimes with these formerly respected news outlets, and it really shouldn't be difficult for them to write about this clearly.

Sex Matters held a media briefing yesterday. It looks like some journalists were actually taking notice.

Yes, I assume that has something to do with this more balanced coverage.

I still think the BBC article is obfuscating. It doesn't seem to mention the specific DSD that's suspected, for instance. Still, far better than previous.

The Guardian one is suitably vague, and is still pushing the idea that the tests were carried out by the "discredited" IBA, not two independently accredited labs. So it is still highly misleading.

The excellent sports scientist Ross Tucker, suggests that cheek swabs should be seen as a screen. They will be accurate for the majority of the population and athletes but for the tiny minority, they will indicate the need for further investigation. Apart from anything else, this would deter the cynical agents in certain sports like boxing from seeking out these children to turn them into elite athletes in the wrong category.

x.com/Scienceofsport/status/1819332741105606960

Sex Matters held a media briefing yesterday. It looks like some journalists were actually taking notice.

Respect and thanks to the wonderful women at Sex Matters!

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3CHzAQ_ogX4dimXSX3Kr2Bhz70SslbUYAHKpmDn6P7F6IJV4WFv-SkDrI_aem_uQ1FalPjwxQ6c2NQmHk66Q&si=YMZdp_ePfiFiOFOI&v=uQpX9ubrGZE

Is a cheek swab really all that's needed? Wouldn't that be the start of the process rather than the end?

Oh wow Emma Hilton being quoted in a BBC article. That has made my day.
Remember when she was anonymous on Twitter due to vulnerability to abuse and credible threats to her career?
I'm feeling more optimistic right now than I have in a while.

I’m no expert on boxing regulations, nor on the rules of the IOC, but, as a martial artist myself, this much is clear: once both athletes had entered the ring, the time for contesting gender was over.

Ok, let’s put you in the ring with a man and see you just crack on without contesting his sex then🙄

From The G yesterday by Nathalie Tocci “All hell broke loose after a viral disinformation campaign about Khelif’s gender identity. False claims about Khelif triggered well-meaning (albeit misinformed) expressions of concern for female sports, but mostly an ill-willed campaign to denigrate the IOC, which had accepted Khelif into the women’s competition”. Full article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/08/paris-olympics-culture-wars-russia-west So plenty of GI captured Guardian Journos still banging on about how unfair to the two XY Boxers, its unbeleivable that their respective governing bodies dont carry out biological sex tests to clarify, if they are among the extremely tiny number of DSDs that dont benefit then what’s the issue with doing the tests. And, harsh as it may be and painful for individuals, surely a simple solution is to make DSD a condition that rules people out of either m or f competition and create a separate class for them, of course there wouldn’t be enough! But why bother when they can simply put them in with the women who dont really matter anyway! So sick of this.