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Wow! Look whats in the Guardian.

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Omlettes · 09/08/2024 03:53

"Sharron Davies encourages Khelif and Lin’s opponents to challenge defeats"
A sane straight reporting article that even mentions Sex Matters.
Thats the second one this week.
I'm hoping if we pressure Viner she will do some serious investigative journalism into the IOC, the Sex Matters semina posted on the other thread was eyeopening as to the extent of the IOCs control over the media.

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duc748 · 11/08/2024 14:26

Couldn't make it to the end of that drivel in the Australian piece. "Write a piece about the trad-wife. But make sure you crow-bar in a reference to the boxers" 🙄Devoid of both logic, and, indeed, the facts. But heartening to see the responses on Nitter.

RainWithSunnySpells · 11/08/2024 14:26

I have screenshotted two things from the Guardian article. 1, showing where to click to open the comments (click the speech bubble with comment number near the top of the page, the comments then appear after the article). 2, showing the tag suggestions after the article which include 'far right' and 'the far right' because understanding biology is 'far right' I assume? Sigh.

Wow! Look whats in the Guardian.
Wow! Look whats in the Guardian.
WearyAuldWumman · 11/08/2024 14:19

SinnerBoy · 09/08/2024 20:33

FunnyLady27 · Today 09:14

From The G yesterday by Nathalie Tocci.

What a contemptible article by a journalist who is risibly uninformed about boxing. The Guardian know that's the case, it's in Comment is Free, but unless I have an error, comments have not been opened.

Again, like similar ones, you can submit a 300 word letter, which won't pass the Gender Gestapo, of course.

She says she’s a martial artist. I’m betting she’s never squared up to a man in competition. Big difference between that and sparring.

RainWithSunnySpells · 11/08/2024 14:12

Nitter version of X/twitter. https://nitter.poast.org/guardian/status/1822487765256175828

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Omlettes · 11/08/2024 14:02

BettyBooper · 11/08/2024 11:44

Indeed. Interesting that the comments under the article are all positive about it (and pretty much all completely batshit).

It's almost as if they've been heavily moderated...🤔

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I dont suppose you could screen shot some of them for those of us not on?
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Omlettes · 11/08/2024 13:59

Signalbox · 11/08/2024 10:49

Guardian back to its usual form…

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/11/girls-ignore-the-sexist-rhetoric-revel-in-everything-that-upsets-the-haters?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1723331999

Thats the Australian edition, so to be expected.
Van Badham is a vapid fool, the Aussie version of Zoe Williams.

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Omlettes · 11/08/2024 13:57

BettyBooper · 11/08/2024 11:44

Indeed. Interesting that the comments under the article are all positive about it (and pretty much all completely batshit).

It's almost as if they've been heavily moderated...🤔

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Say it aint so!
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BettyBooper · 11/08/2024 11:44

CorruptedCauldron · 11/08/2024 11:15

On a happier note, for those on Twitter, the comments under the post are scathing.

x.com/guardian/status/1822487765256175828

Indeed. Interesting that the comments under the article are all positive about it (and pretty much all completely batshit).

It's almost as if they've been heavily moderated...🤔

CorruptedCauldron · 11/08/2024 11:15

On a happier note, for those on Twitter, the comments under the post are scathing.

x.com/guardian/status/1822487765256175828

CorruptedCauldron · 11/08/2024 11:04

FFS that article. It’s like banging your head against a brick wall. I couldn’t care less if a woman looks masculine, has big muscles, a lantern jaw, so what. I only care about fair competition. If a woman appears to be masculine or gender non-conforming, good luck to her. The only thing that matters is that women need to be able to compete with other women - biological females - and not men. And the easy, safe way to ensure this is to do a cheek swab on every competitor. Not just the butch women; the feminine ones too. Every. Single. One.

duc748 · 10/08/2024 22:10

IIJM that's getting a pod-people vibe here? "They walk among us", and all that.

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Omlettes · 10/08/2024 22:06

Omlettes · 10/08/2024 21:31

Noah Berlatsky, and infuriatingly the editor says he is not employed there yet they continue to commission him.

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I've just looked up his reply and his specific words were:
"Mr Berlatsky isn’t a member of our staff, and in broad terms we would only be responsible for what we publish;'

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SinnerBoy · 10/08/2024 22:00

Omlettes · Today 21:23

I might dig up the emails, they were very telling.

OooOOH!

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Omlettes · 10/08/2024 21:31

eatfigs · 10/08/2024 21:24

Could you share the name of the journalist please?

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Noah Berlatsky, and infuriatingly the editor says he is not employed there yet they continue to commission him.

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Omlettes · 10/08/2024 21:24

PeachyKeane · 10/08/2024 17:47

I'm still battling with friends to try to get them to understand the situation. I get it completely but there's been so much misinformation by the MSM that everyone is completely confused.

Deliberate obfuscation

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eatfigs · 10/08/2024 21:24

Omlettes · 10/08/2024 21:23

Bit of backstory. In 2021 I think. I became suspicious of the number of hit pieces on JKR.
I googled the repeat offender 'journo', turned out he was a member of Prostasia the friendly face of MAP. Contacted the editor and had quite an interesting back n forth...
I might dig up the emails, they were very telling.

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Could you share the name of the journalist please?

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Omlettes · 10/08/2024 21:23

duc748 · 09/08/2024 23:58

Might as well put this here, but one small takeaway I got from this is that The Independent is way more batshit on this than the Guardian! They have practically wetting themselves over Khelif for days now.

Bit of backstory. In 2021 I think. I became suspicious of the number of hit pieces on JKR.
I googled the repeat offender 'journo', turned out he was a member of Prostasia the friendly face of MAP. Contacted the editor and had quite an interesting back n forth...
I might dig up the emails, they were very telling.

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SinnerBoy · 10/08/2024 20:48

Yes, the BBC and Guardian bear particular guilt for the huge amount of absolutely dishonest "reporting" on the subject.

PeachyKeane · 10/08/2024 17:47

I'm still battling with friends to try to get them to understand the situation. I get it completely but there's been so much misinformation by the MSM that everyone is completely confused.

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Omlettes · 10/08/2024 17:10

PeachyKeane · 10/08/2024 13:08

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/08/09/imane-khelif-vs-liu-yang-live-boxing-olympic-gold-updates/

Great article from Oliver Brown

Just read it. I'm so angry!
And all the men dismissing us when we all said this was the logical conclusion.

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Omlettes · 10/08/2024 16:57

PeachyKeane · 10/08/2024 13:08

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/08/09/imane-khelif-vs-liu-yang-live-boxing-olympic-gold-updates/

Great article from Oliver Brown

Thank you for that.

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PeachyKeane · 10/08/2024 13:07

Absolutely agree, everyone knows. But when arguing with numpties on the Internet apparently no-one does.

namechange9357 · 10/08/2024 10:23

PeachyKeane · 09/08/2024 21:56

The cheek swap will reveal XX or XY. Only if there's an XY will any further testing need to be done, surely 🤔

They can probably also test for SRY from a cheek swab. So only XY and SRY+ would need further tests.

i would have thought in reality the vast majority of athletes with DSDs already know what condition they have. If you’re a teenage girl and instead of growing boobs and getting a period your voice breaks you are probably going to the doctor. And failing that, if a female athlete isn’t menstruating I would have thought her team would want to check that out if only to check nutrition isn’t the issue