New anti-Cass screed

I'm always extremely suspicious of the motives of men involved in this permanent, medical infantilisation. John Money comes to mind.

Do they ever explain why doctors should be assisting them to be unhealthy, infertile and sexually dysfunctional rather than improving the health and well-being of people who (through no fault of their own) are unhealthy or have problems relating to fertility or sexual function?

They are loons, and no better than the nutters who want to chop their own legs, or other body parts, off.

I'm still waiting for one of these gender ideologues to explain why sterilising children and giving them harmful medication which will make them less healthy throughout their lives and impact their sexual function is as desirable as allowing them to grow up to be adults who will probably be able to have their own children and won't have the health problems associated with taking hormone blockers and opposite sex hormones.....

I worked with a fair few of them over a number of years. They think that notions that everyone should be healthy, fertile and have sexual functioning comes from a place of cis, heteronormative bias. They argue that we privilege these ways of being and fail to recognise that for trans people, these preoccupations are not important and we should honour and respect it.

It is complete guff of course but they get high on the superiority they feel from being ,one of the enlightened ones'.

It all ties in with the weird thought process they have. Obviously it’s desirable not to be a medical patient for the rest of your life but they try and twist it to make it sound like saying that means you think they’re lesser people or some such nonsense. I’ve seen it before with these activists on a range of issues where they basically can’t acknowledge that being healthy is preferable.

I consider Davie and Hobbs may be more mindful of England's libel laws (as Ryan suggests) than retrospectively concerned for any potential stochastic terrorism concerns for the impact on Cass and others.

I doubt there will be any professional consequences for this ill-considered attempt to undermine the Cass Review. I wonder what NHS England's Children and Young People’s Gender Dysphoria Research Oversight Board makes of all this.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/commissioning/spec-services/npc-crg/gender-dysphoria-clinical-programme/implementing-advice-from-the-cass-review/cyp-gender-dysphoria-research-oversight-board/

Dr Max Davie has now deleted the reference to Irreversible Damage (but still thinks Dr Cass went into the Review with preconceived ideas and bias) and he's taking a Twitter break due to the anxiety this has caused him

I wonder if he's ever considered the effect his comments might have had on Dr Cass? She has already received threats which means it's unsafe for her to travel on public transport, so has he considered that his baseless accusations may have caused her some anxiety?

This update from Ben Ryan is worth reading.

benryan.substack.com/p/cass-review-author-denounces-as-baseless

The short version is that Dr Cass responded to the accusation that she recommended Abigail Shrier's book by saying it was "wholly untrue" and it was a "cynical attempt to undermine the Review"

Dr Max Davie has now deleted the reference to Irreversible Damage (but still thinks Dr Cass went into the Review with preconceived ideas and bias) and he's taking a Twitter break due to the anxiety this has caused him

Shut up you bigot! You transphobe!

Oh dear, it doesn’t seem to work any more …

Ooops on wrong thread sorry😳

OldCrone · Today 09:15

The Cass team do not mention any of the potential harms caused by not offering treatment, of which there are many - the development of permanent secondary sex characteristics that are not congruent with a person’s gender identity (e.g. a deepening voice, facial hair growth, breast tissue growth to name a few) can cause high levels of distress to many gender-diverse youth.

And the Cass Trashing Team make no reference to the very well known, very serious side effects, which puberty blockers cause, even after relatively short, restricted periods of use.

Including mental stultification, irreversible bone density problems, weak joints, depression / mood swings, seizures, cardiovascular and cerebrovascular conditions, including strokes.

I wonder why they don't mention any of that? Is it that they don't know? Or that they don't care, because their agenda is more important to them?

Linking in the McNamara thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5138103-yale-lass-school-cass-review-meredithe-mcnamara-and-bma-etc

In case this is more accessible for people.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1821653395096076619.html

(Name changed, obviously.)

I have met Max a number of times and my impression of him is 'grumpy and often angry'. I knew of his involvement with the new gender service, and from the tone of some recent tweets of his, this development doesn't surprise me.

Michael Hobbs (@RottenInDenmark) has to be one of the worst inspirations out there. He constantly misinterprets, equivocates and flat-out lies about this topic, and has a horrible mansplaining 'podcast bro' attitude too. As for Mallory Moore (@Chican3ry), I'll just say it's worth reading the Reduxx article on him.

This.

When it comes to social transition, vague worries that an early social transition may encourage the child to be trans and therefore have less optimal outcomes, are taken at face value, rather than being interrogated for the obvious (harmful) assumption underlying them that a trans identity is somehow less desirable than a cis identity.

I'm still waiting for one of these gender ideologues to explain why sterilising children and giving them harmful medication which will make them less healthy throughout their lives and impact their sexual function is as desirable as allowing them to grow up to be adults who will probably be able to have their own children and won't have the health problems associated with taking hormone blockers and opposite sex hormones and the possible complications of having surgical procedures to alter the appearance of their genitalia.

“As people involved in the transition from the old GiDs to the new, we're very concerned about the future.”

This is very concerning.

These are NHS workers who appear to be ideologically opposed to supporting children to be comfortable and content with their biological sex and with the body they have, and ideologically opposed to a cautious evidence-based approach to supporting children who are in distress.

I guess the Cass report in effect pointing out that these NHS workers have been placing children on a pharmaceutical and irreversible surgical intervention pathway without adequate evidence of benefits could cause them to feel defensive of their actions, position and professional reputations, and cause them to scrabble about looking for post-hoc justification for their approach to treating child patients in distress from any online activists who might offer them an appearance of cover for their actions, or help them to feel better about the way they’ve treated child patients.

The Cass recommendation is that the service to these child patients should start operating to the same standards of evidence as is expected for other patient groups. Imagine being an NHS worker objecting to children in distress being supported to the same quality and evidence standards as other patient groups.

Hard agree.
It's long overdue that some of these activists masquerading as doctors saw the inside of a prison cell for their wilful mistreatment of such vulnerable children.

Former education lead for the new GOSH gender identity clinic - he's been sacked, hasn't he?

Fascinated by Max Davie's publication record especially the article 'How I found my tribe' about his neurodiversity diagnosis.

Maybe it's different for male doctors because I don't mention my diagnosis to anyone as the stigma is so fucking huge. Managers just assume you can't do the job.

He seems to have made a nice career out of being an untouchable activist.

Adults lying to children is what has caused that distress

This, 100000 times over.

This is really unimpressive and intrigued by their claim in first paragraph that Cass is the most comprehensive review 'to date' as '[1] Germany (Austria and Switzerland) are about to publish their own review, which took 7 years to complete.' Whose review is this and do they think that 'comprehensive' equates to 'took a long time to do it'?

I was intrigued that they cite '[2] MacNamara et al., 2024. An evidence-based critique of “the Cass REview” on gender-affirming care for adolescent gender dysphoria. (<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/D7Hys/law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/cass-response-7.11.24.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Microsoft Word - Cass Response 7 11.docx (yale.edu))' the so called 'Yale Law School' criticism of Cass. I was prompted to look into MacNamara and started a thread on that just now as she (this work) is coming up a lot. Its not just rabbit holes, these holes are connected in a rabbit warren sort of way. Lots of mad rabbits in them citing each other?

To sum up: we are true believers and are willing to sterilize children (with no evidence of benefit and increasing evidence of harm) in the service of our beliefs.

The only thing that should happen following this is a fitness to practice tribunal - how can they give the best care to their patients if they are so blinkered?

Their example shows why socially transitioning children before puberty is child abuse. Boys can behave as femininely as they want, wear dresses and girls can play football. Doesn't make them the opposite sex. Adults lying to children is what has caused that distress and the failure of hcps in their positions not to acknowledge even that possibility is seriously troubling and suggests an inability to provide care without bias.

Social transitioning is not a neutral act.