Guardian article- disgusting euphemism of the systematic rape of 1400 children

What you are saying though is ‘it is ok to to dismiss the appalling abuse these girls suffered as the alternative would to have to commit significant police and community resources to dealing with the fallout’. Of course it is not ok to set fire to holiday inns but you put resources in place to stop that happening. If over 1400 girls getting raped is not enough to justify the resources needed to deal with community tensions then exactly how many girls suffering would be? Or do only men count?

@KielderWater do you think it's okay for them to have set fire to a holiday inn?

The police cover up was grotesque. As I have said, I hope the police and authorities are brought to justice.

It does not, in any way excuse the scenes we have been seeing recently.

And by not acknowledging this, because people in power decided ”What good does violence and racism do? It doesn't take that away. It doesn't change it. All it does it create a society where male violence is justified time and time again.” it allowed those rapes to continue and for hundreds more girls were subject to rape. This argument is no different to the behaviour of the police, social work etc who ignored it for fear of upsetting men. If men are violent then deal with it. Arrest them.

The Guard used to be my paper of choice too; have given up on it now due to their shitty reporting on female issues. As for the 1400 girls - I can't even begin to imagine the impact of this on the girls, their families and the wider community. Absolutely they're going to feel anger and even more so when the authorities are not held to account.

They were raped. Repeatedly.

What good does violence and racism do? It doesn't take that away. It doesn't change it. All it does it create a society where male violence is justified time and time again.

I think you misunderstand. I read the original post from @Ereshkigalangcleg as saying that the Graun sweeping it under the carpet was the problem.

I have said for years that the way we handle immigration and all its ramifications was going to bite the country on the bum eventually. I didn't see it happening like this, though.

We had a rally in favour of immigration ( legal and undocumented) in Oxford this weekend. Carfax full of the righteous with the pink and yellow signs. I suppose no one thought about the Oxford grooming gang scandal, or if they did, they didn’t care , as men are so much more socially significant than girls.

BTW, who is supplying the pink and yellow signs? Because there are thousands of them and they are at every rally and ‘counter- demonstration.’

I am so angry that posters on FWR support not upsetting men above acknowledging the rape of girls.

Neither is refusing to name the treatment of those girls because ‘it might be used to justify setting a holiday inn on fire’.

I am appalled that posters don’t see this is simple an extension of the attitudes that allowed these crimes to be brushed aside putting hundreds more girls at risk.

What happened in Rotherham was absolutely disgusting. The police and the council handled it pathetically and they should be brought to justice for their role in it.

However, that does not justify the holiday inn being set on fire or the community being subject to violence.

Neither is right, and two wrongs don't make a right.

This attitude is exactly why more than 1400 girls were raped - placing concern for ‘community tensions’ above the lives of over 1400 girls.

i am shocked and horrified to see such rape apology here.

The reporting is similar to the trans issue with 1 side being treated much more favourably and sympathetically
The Labour Party have been shocking for years on this with MPs being kicked out for talking about grooming gangs
Cologne NYE (was it 2016?) lack of reporting wA horrifying
And now we have the justification and pretence that there is a far right threat in this country which, it appears, is going to be used to introduce authoritarian controls over speech

I feel anger about what happened in Rotherham and I feel there was no real accountability for the institutions that failed, no evidence of change having happened since in any way at all and no justice for the victims. A few people lost their jobs, no doubt replaced by identical types of people who'd do the same thing again whilst spouting ' lessons have been learned'. I see no evidence of that. I see no evidence of proper safeguarding for children being front and centre in social work teams or schools anymore, let alone the police. Quite the opposite in fact.

I agree.

I can’t wait for this women hating, gay people hating, MRM loving rag to bankrupt

Do you actually read the Guardian? If you did you would realise that this is totally inaccurate. Why not try the Mail for a more balanced viewpoint .

I feel anger about what happened in Rotherham and I feel there was no real accountability for the institutions that failed, no evidence of change having happened since in any way at all and no justice for the victims. A few people lost their jobs, no doubt replaced by identical types of people who'd do the same thing again whilst spouting ' lessons have been learned'. I see no evidence of that. I see no evidence of proper safeguarding for children being front and centre in social work teams or schools anymore, let alone the police. Quite the opposite in fact.

Obviously I'm not going to riot but I am very angry, and I'm not even directly affected.

This is a great post, thank you for sharing.

That was my mountain top moment. I couldn't believe what I wasn't reading or seeing in MSM about this.

Julie Bindel wrote about this in the Guardian in 2004
But Maggie Oliver is the person to listen too, she was a cop dealing with it all, till she blew the whistle.
Might start a thread about her, she is a trooper! She has a foundation protecting kids like this, which I urge others to support
%7Cheretics.

Violent men raping children. Violent men rioting. I doubt the latter care about the former except as an excuse.

Me too. And so many people I know rely on it for their 'news.'

It's an article about current riots. They are not rioting because of the grooming scandal. I expect half of them were in nappies when that hit the headlines. I don't see the issue with reference to past tensions. That encompasses everything and there are other issues.

The government is going to have to get to grips with all of this or the polarisation will get worse. I don't envy Starmer as I don't think it's going to be easy, I still don't like him, and I don't think he's up to the job. Don't know who is though.

This seems very typical of left media, and it's made me very wary of those organizations that supposedly rate the accuracy and political bias of media sources.

They don't report false information generally, they simply do not ask certain questions, talk to certain people, or report of certain stories.

There are definitely larger social tensions that are coming to a head I think. Communities that are struggling with mixing different customs and ways of thinking about women or behaviour. Struggles over access to state support. Struggles over finding a home. Struggles over finding a home close to your parents, siblings, etc. Struggles over access to schools and medical care.

Neither the Tories nor the LP have offered any really useful approaches to this. It was bound I suspect to break out at some point as it has in Europe.

The rioting I think is both related and non-related. I said in a different thread, the thing it reminds me of most is the BLM riots in the US - they were differentiated by a left political position but seem as disconnected from the real issues as these ones do. And as senseless violence, often seeming to be more about being hoodlums or thieves. Though - some of the European riots, from all different involved groups including young Muslim men, also have a very similar feel.

I see every day in my place of work, (not in the UK) two groups. Men and a few women who are very down on their luck for one reason or another - drug addiction, mental illness, disability, lost a job and no family, etc - who have no housing and no job. They spend all day trying to find a place to be. And on the other, very large numbers of new people, mainly from India and a few from Africa. Mainly economic migrants, and not in healthcare mostly - mostly buying up small businesses if they have money, or working as cashiers and cart handlers if they don't. They have found housing one way or another, often I see ads looking for Indian roommates for small apartments.

Every day I wonder when the former group sits in my workplace when something might kick off. Because I can't really see how anger and resentment wouldn't come to a head in this kind of situation.