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lonelywater · 05/08/2024 16:35

I thought after the WPATH debacle that would blow the lid off, once and for all, gender woo having any further influence in medical matters. Do we think the IOC will simply try to style this out with "nothing to see here" or will radical change be a result? No idea myself as there seems to be still far too many nutters in positions of power.

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Snowypeaks · 05/08/2024 17:18

cathyandclaire · 05/08/2024 17:02

I would like to know this- I was shocked when the Algerian coach said:
"Then the medical president of the IOC said that it's really normal in boxing that the athletes' testosterone is high. For all the girls it is the same. Imane is not alone in this case."

So, is there an acceptable level, how can they tell if someone is doping? Or is it a free for all with endogenous and exogenous testosterone?

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Either he's talking bollocks or there are several other males in women's boxing, which is what we have heard - so far unsubstantiated.

1apenny2apenny · 05/08/2024 17:12

There was a graph on the other thread showing testosterone levels of men and women. I don't doubt that many women in these sports are at the higher end for T. That however is very different to men's levels.

Perhaps all the women should have a 'sex' test and testosterone test and publish their results. It's very telling that neither athlete will consent to the results being published nor to their own testing. We all know why.

I think it's very hard to comprehend how someone could be such a cheat in sport, especially at the Olympics. Do they not understand that this effectively negates any medal they win? But then I suppose it's also hard to comprehend how someone can think having an 'F' in your passport makes you a woman. I mean doesn't only cost a fiver to get that in the uk? Self id through the back door.

cathyandclaire · 05/08/2024 17:02

GreenUp · 05/08/2024 16:44

Does anyone know from the IOC framework, is there a testosterone upper limit for the boxing categories? Or is it literally just what it says in your passport?

I would like to know this- I was shocked when the Algerian coach said:
"Then the medical president of the IOC said that it's really normal in boxing that the athletes' testosterone is high. For all the girls it is the same. Imane is not alone in this case."

So, is there an acceptable level, how can they tell if someone is doping? Or is it a free for all with endogenous and exogenous testosterone?

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 05/08/2024 17:02

GreenUp · 05/08/2024 16:44

Does anyone know from the IOC framework, is there a testosterone upper limit for the boxing categories? Or is it literally just what it says in your passport?

They started in one press conference that they don't test for testosterone they just check the passport

WallaceinAnderland · 05/08/2024 16:59

I think they will drop boxing at the next games for 'health and safety' reasons.

Chersfrozenface · 05/08/2024 16:56

Or the IOC ditches boxing - either just women's boxing or all boxing - and hopes everyone forgets about males in women's sports, like soccer.

ditalini · 05/08/2024 16:56

It absolutely blows my mind that the one sport among All Possible Sports which was the hill that IOC chose to die on was boxing.

But I guess if they can get people to shut up about this one then it'll truly be anything goes.

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lonelywater · 05/08/2024 16:55

PepeParapluie · 05/08/2024 16:49

I’m not expecting a u-turn this games. I’m thinking the best we can maybe hope for is that they quietly change the rules before the next games. I’m not convinced they will though.

nothing will change during these games-that would be the equivalent of erecting a ten foot high pink neon sign over the Eiffel Tower saying "we are batshit mentalists who dont know our arse from our elbow". Best outcome is they realise this looks dreadful, isn't going away and will need sorting by people who know what the fuck they are talking about. I suspect this will need Coe to be elected in place of Bach, who seems completely out of his depth, to be charitable.

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PepeParapluie · 05/08/2024 16:49

I’m not expecting a u-turn this games. I’m thinking the best we can maybe hope for is that they quietly change the rules before the next games. I’m not convinced they will though.

GreenUp · 05/08/2024 16:44

Does anyone know from the IOC framework, is there a testosterone upper limit for the boxing categories? Or is it literally just what it says in your passport?

Chersfrozenface · 05/08/2024 16:40

It depends whether Seb Coe or a Thomas Bach clone gets to be president of the IOC.

Coe is not perfect, but he's miles better than the current gender ideologue.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 05/08/2024 16:39

lonelywater · 05/08/2024 16:35

I thought after the WPATH debacle that would blow the lid off, once and for all, gender woo having any further influence in medical matters. Do we think the IOC will simply try to style this out with "nothing to see here" or will radical change be a result? No idea myself as there seems to be still far too many nutters in positions of power.

They're in an ideological cul-de-sac.

So, the only^^ thing they can do is double down, and mutter about 'F's' on passports.