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lcakethereforeIam · 05/08/2024 11:18

This is the 3rd time I've tried to create this thread. So apologies if it's a glitch and they suddenly all show up.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/05/jk-rowling-bankrolls-legal-fight-workplace-gender-police/

https://archive.ph/1Y0Ll help you over the garden wall

The headline imo is a bit clickbaity misleading but, hopefully, it'll help some non-gardeners find the allotments.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/08/2024 21:04

There's such a choice of gardens! Too many to plant all of them regularly but @iamsarah is my regular window box and then I choose among the rest and hope for a nice crop between us all.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 20:51

Thank you.

A Charity Commission spokesperson said its inquiry into Mermaids remained ongoing and it could not comment further.
The spokesperson said: “Our inquiries conclude only when we are satisfied that all regulatory concerns have been sufficiently investigated and resolved.”

FedUpWithBriiiiick · 05/08/2024 20:39

Just popping this here 😊

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4991660-sara-morrison-vs-belfast-film-festival

ChaChaChooey · 05/08/2024 20:16

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 20:10

That reminds me, what the fuck IS happening with the Charities Commission investigation?

Didn't someone say an update was imminent recently, or did I imagine that? Anything come of it?

This seems to be the most recent report on the ongoing statutory enquiry:

www.thirdsector.co.uk/mermaids-launches-fundraising-appeal-regulators-inquiry-deterring-corporate-partners/governance/article/1880333

Iamiams · 05/08/2024 20:14

Electricbream · 05/08/2024 20:04

Stonewall won. Twice.

Nah. Stonewall said ‘do it to Julia’ and ran off. It’s not a good look.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 05/08/2024 20:11

Electricbream · 05/08/2024 20:07

When discussing Marion Millar's crowdfunder be aware that she has been arrested and charged with fraud offences.

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/transgender-law-reform-critic-marion-millar-arrested-over-alleged-fraud-offences

It's unlikely that any FWR remains ignorant of it. Not least as it's regularly mentioned by a cadre of posters.

I'm sure that you or somebody like you will post as soon as the case is listed for a hearing and progresses.

What's your overall point?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 20:10

That reminds me, what the fuck IS happening with the Charities Commission investigation?

Didn't someone say an update was imminent recently, or did I imagine that? Anything come of it?

Electricbream · 05/08/2024 20:07

Christinapple · 05/08/2024 13:20

Not all cases result in a win though, and sometimes the person being donated and the money suddenly disappears off the face of the internet and Earth.

Allison Bailey lost twice against Stonewall, the court costs in total were an estimation of £1 which includes a significant amount of donation money.

Then the case of Marion Millar which began in 2021 I think. She received a lot in donations, at least tens of thousands are estimated. The donations were for a court case which to this day hasn't happened, and her defence was an MSP who wasn't charging anything. Marion also then shut down her twitter account she was using to communicate with the public about her case. So, dare one ask what became of everyone's money who donated to her?

From what I saw at the time all MM's crowdfunding attempts on various websites were eventually shut down for breaking the terms of service, I recall one of them saying they would donate to an LGBT-rights charity in response after finding out the context. That means some of the money that was donated to MM ended up going to a LGBT charity.

"Graham Linehan, co-writer of Father Ted, is caught up in a separate gender-critical discrimination case"

The article is being rather secretive about what's happening with GL. He is currently being sued by a homosexual man for libel, so far the judge has rejected GL's claims that he was just stating an opinion. I have a link if anyone's interested.

When discussing Marion Millar's crowdfunder be aware that she has been arrested and charged with fraud offences.

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/transgender-law-reform-critic-marion-millar-arrested-over-alleged-fraud-offences

Transgender law reform critic arrested over alleged fraud offences

Marion Millar became a high-profile figure in Scotland as a leading critic of transgender law reform.

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/transgender-law-reform-critic-marion-millar-arrested-over-alleged-fraud-offences

ChaChaChooey · 05/08/2024 20:07

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 20:06

Like LGB Alliance won against Mermaids, right, @Electricbream?

That reminds me, what the fuck IS happening with the Charities Commission investigation?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 20:06

At least Stonewall had the sense to withdraw from that car crash of a case.

ChaChaChooey · 05/08/2024 20:06

Electricbream · 05/08/2024 20:04

Stonewall won. Twice.

They absolutely shat the bed on their business model.

Especially with all the emotional support animals. Made themselves into a proper laughing stock.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 20:06

Like LGB Alliance won against Mermaids, right, @Electricbream?

Electricbream · 05/08/2024 20:04

Iamiams · 05/08/2024 19:03

If you pay for advice but the onus is all on you when it goes wrong, you are less likely to pay for that advice in future. In fact the advice is worse than useless.

Stonewall lost either way. And gay people lost a charity that used to support them.

Stonewall won. Twice.

misogynyisbigotry · 05/08/2024 20:03

Adult humans can spend their money however they want. And women are human. If this makes you - by which I mean anyone posting here - whack the keyboard in frustration, I predict you're going to be very, very frustrated for a very long time.

ChaChaChooey · 05/08/2024 20:02

Christinapple · 05/08/2024 13:20

Not all cases result in a win though, and sometimes the person being donated and the money suddenly disappears off the face of the internet and Earth.

Allison Bailey lost twice against Stonewall, the court costs in total were an estimation of £1 which includes a significant amount of donation money.

Then the case of Marion Millar which began in 2021 I think. She received a lot in donations, at least tens of thousands are estimated. The donations were for a court case which to this day hasn't happened, and her defence was an MSP who wasn't charging anything. Marion also then shut down her twitter account she was using to communicate with the public about her case. So, dare one ask what became of everyone's money who donated to her?

From what I saw at the time all MM's crowdfunding attempts on various websites were eventually shut down for breaking the terms of service, I recall one of them saying they would donate to an LGBT-rights charity in response after finding out the context. That means some of the money that was donated to MM ended up going to a LGBT charity.

"Graham Linehan, co-writer of Father Ted, is caught up in a separate gender-critical discrimination case"

The article is being rather secretive about what's happening with GL. He is currently being sued by a homosexual man for libel, so far the judge has rejected GL's claims that he was just stating an opinion. I have a link if anyone's interested.

This bit might help you make sense of why we donate without needing anything back,

“People’s generosity isn’t pure altruism,” she says. “It’s a result of collective pent-up resentment that a large number of people have around these issues.

Snowypeaks · 05/08/2024 19:50

They have a terrible win/loss record.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 19:15

I know, look how much money they've pissed up the wall.

Topofthemountain · 05/08/2024 19:09

The opposite of donating to GC causes is donating to the GLP.

I hope CA is also chastising all their donors too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 19:06

It's made very clear Stonewall were found to have nothing to do with what Garden Chambers did that resulted in the payout they had to make.

So again, how would Stonewall's advice on what to do in this situation, to all the saps companies who pay them for guidance on how to achieve LGBT "inclusion" in their workplace, differ from what GCC actually did?

Iamiams · 05/08/2024 19:03

If you pay for advice but the onus is all on you when it goes wrong, you are less likely to pay for that advice in future. In fact the advice is worse than useless.

Stonewall lost either way. And gay people lost a charity that used to support them.

NitroNine · 05/08/2024 19:02

This thread is going to confuse all the poor parents searching the site for tips on how to persuade their children to eat more vegetables… (spinach risotto: doesn’t taste of spinach, but is full of spinachy goodness… good luck)

Is Super Carrot related to either Captain Carrot of the Ankh Morpork City Watch or indeed Bananaman? Or indeed both?! (I do love the interrobang: how can a piece of punctuation be so expressive? Yet somehow it is.)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 19:02

You clearly have no real understanding of what I'm saying.

Christinapple · 05/08/2024 19:01

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 18:55

If you follow Stonewall's interpretation of the law, you haven't broken any laws and you will win if anyone tries to sue you. That would appear to be the interpretation of this I presume? The £20k GC's had to pay was their fault and their fault only.

In what way do you think Stonewall's "interpretation of the law" in the workplace when it comes to gender critical beliefs differs from the one GCC used, which got them into hot water when responding to Stonewall's own complaint?

It's made very clear Stonewall were found to have nothing to do with what Garden Chambers did that resulted in the payout they had to make. GC's are responsible for their own actions here.

You can read the statement Stonewall made in the link above.

Omlettes · 05/08/2024 19:00

lcakethereforeIam · 05/08/2024 11:18

This is the 3rd time I've tried to create this thread. So apologies if it's a glitch and they suddenly all show up.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/05/jk-rowling-bankrolls-legal-fight-workplace-gender-police/

https://archive.ph/1Y0Ll help you over the garden wall

The headline imo is a bit clickbaity misleading but, hopefully, it'll help some non-gardeners find the allotments.

Tbh that makes me nervous that that will spark a crackdown, seems wiser not to draw attention to it, but hey they gotta get clicks

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 18:55

If you follow Stonewall's interpretation of the law, you haven't broken any laws and you will win if anyone tries to sue you. That would appear to be the interpretation of this I presume? The £20k GC's had to pay was their fault and their fault only.

In what way do you think Stonewall's "interpretation of the law" in the workplace when it comes to gender critical beliefs differs from the one GCC used, which got them into hot water when responding to Stonewall's own complaint?