Do you talk about this stuff in your "real" life?

My daughter is 13 and is spoon-fed a lot of #bekind at school. She has made it very clear that she does not believe that humans can change sex and will politely explain that to both pupils and teachers if she is asked. She's well aware that her views are not always shared by others, but she maintains her position regardless.

If she can hold the line then I have to, so yes I do talk about this in real life. Not in an antagonistic way but just calling out when I believe that something is not correct.

Yes. but I am old, and most people I know who are my age or even just a bit younger think it’s all nonsense ( dangerous nonsense re the boxing) anyway.

My closest friends shared with me the devastation wrought by a mutual acquaintance on his family and his fiancée when he decided to be a woman ( although not a trans woman, that hadn’t been invented in quite this format at that time), so we don’t need to discuss it.

I have changed my will, though, when some of the beneficiaries ( institutions) started to promote this stuff, especially when they shoehorn drag queens into completely inappropriate and irrelevant situations. I really enjoyed writing to them to tell them, because some of the legacies were substantial.

Yes much to the annoyance or anger of people who can’t think critically and who want to cling on to their woke credentials. I’ve made new friends though which is fantastic!!

Yes I do talk about it in RL, very openly , with my kids, my extended family and friends.

I discuss it in a guarded way at work, I mention it in a subtle way and then go on if it seems that the person is open and questioning or even GC. I don’t waste my time talking with people who are stupid or closed minded .

I should point out that I’m self employed to I’m not going to sacked for having opinions.

Im chip chipping away at things in the organisations I volunteer with, to promote safeguarding.

Seven years ago I mentioned this at a book group and was roundly pooh poohed as bringing up a fringe topic not affecting anyone. “Too few to make any difference.”

Now three of them have trans-identifying children. No one says a thing as book group is silently split down the middle on this.

Wrong Side Of History, My Arse

Yep, did just yesterday at a BBQ. And probably will do next week on extended-family holiday.

Yes I do. At every reasonable opportunity.

I never use the dishonest phrases 'transwoman' or 'transman' though.

I always correctly sex the people I am talking about.

I have peaked many of my friends and acquaintances in this way.

The benefits of being self employed. I can't get fired for my views. So while I don't bring it up I don't keep quiet. With family and friends yes I'm very vocal mostly they agree with me anyway. One male I can tell is just humouring me and thinks I've been made hysterical by other hysterical illogical women online, he's one of those who thinks he knows everything and feels personally attacked when I say as a man he can't know what it's like to live as a woman

I'd be really tempted to say you're shocked to hear him using a misogynistic slur like that, you didn't think he was that kind of person. And then show him who else uses that word.

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So all 8 or so of my very good friends (women) that is socialise with are all fully parked.
I'm off to meet a friend now who is the outlier but I know once I explain facts she'll see sense, it's there I can see it! Ridiculous situation where we are skulking around like this when others shout their own views loudly on a whole raft of issues.
It's all still 'no debate' for women.

I've just shared for the first time and had someone defriend me and another call out 'transphobia' on their page.
Couldn't care less now. I speak about it all the time, I've peaked several friends and as we all know, once you see it you can't unsee it. I'm sick of being imposed upon by men.
All the women in know are GC but in positions where they fear it will impact upon them. I'm sick of people calling women fascists and bigots.
Two of my gay male mates said to me that they think it's 'terrible' what's happening to women. They are the sweetest guys I know year two years ago they wet e little dismissive of my comcerns. They raise it this time as I NEVER debate women's rights with men.
You men? You have your safe spaces and clubs and toilets and religious/political and social spaces and no women will venture there but we have to concede EVERYWHERE. Every fucking event I go to now has men in the loo washing their hands or right in the cubicle next to me and no one else around. I don't want it, so yes it is about toilets but also so much more.
I'm out now anyway so waves to fellow fascists on here!

To my dh, and my very close friends, but we're always careful not to be overheard. I'd lose my job, it's a simple as that.

I just don't have the patience for the Michael Phelps convo any more.

It’s so frustrating isn’t it? Even worse when they bring ethnicity or race into it. Do you want to start banning Ethiopians from running? Uh no just men out of women’s sport.

I thought there’d be a lot more replies saying they’re forward about it. Sad it’s not the case but also good to know I’m not alone in being careful.

My team at work is a bit of a pain on issues like these. There’s someone who doesn’t realise you’re supposed to have a filter at work so comes out with all kind of things and she’s quite a conspiracy theorist. On this issue, when she brings it up she’s not clued up so when people in the team who are very TWAW push against what she says I find it hard not to say a few things to try to get some reason interjected.

I just don't have the patience for the Michael Phelps convo any more.
The newish French swimming star, Leon Marchand, looked averagely sized standing next to his relay mates. You clearly don't need Michael Phelps' flippers to do well in swimming.

Dh was asked to provide his pronouns and just ignored it.
I just don't have the patience for the Michael Phelps convo any more. I once talked about this on a Whatsapp group with close friends, and I can sense two have frozen me out now.

I like to think a bit of non-participation sends a small message. I'm not adding pronoun suggestions to my email (and nobody else in my team except the boss has either).

Yes I do, if I get any sense at all that the other person is gender critical. But I pick my moments and examples carefully.

I also do anything which can be done anonymously, like surveys, complaints or nominations.

What I don’t do is put anything on social media because a) it lasts forever and b) you have no real control over who might see it. Unfortunately my situation isn’t quite secure enough to be as open as I would like to be in that respect.

I'm completely open in real life about my views. Luckily dp (a fellow biologist) and our teenagers are fully on board.

Feel the fear and do it anyway?

I understand why, but your comment makes me so sad.
Its a microcosm of every woman silencing herself ever, while the man doesnt even hesitate to spout of.

And he might have considered that you might very well feel differently, and quite rightly be offended at his cavalier attitude to an issue that has a huge impact on you and none on him.

And if the tables were turned, would likely be screaming from the rooftops about it.

With a few friends, and with my dh, and my parents and step-parents. Some of my extended family.

Other friends and family I am low key about it, I will mention it in passing in a very factual way.

My daughters both are more be kind though I know they can see some of the issues and I don't hide my views. One of them went through a period of wanting to transition which she later came to have a lot more insight about. I suspect from some of her comments that she's actually seeing that the girls in her group who did (socially) transition have a lot of issues in their family lives that make them have a difficult relation to being female.

At work I am generally very careful and neutral. I bring things up very occasionally in a careful way, but I usually frame it around the fact that we are supposed to be a neutral organization. I am always on the look out for colleagues I think are GC and have occasionally found one. But it's a very captured sector and some of the people in my workplace are militant.

Yes. It's all stuff that was professional bread and butter for me and if the subject arises in discussion I'll willingly try to find out where someone's at with regard to knowledge and opinions and engage at the right level. I don't mind disclosing my position; I'm not ashamed of it. I remember coming here and discovering that there were lots of intelligent women who weren't taken in by gender ideology; if I can help other hesitant sceptics to realise that it's not just them, I'll have done something useful.

I've lost a few friends, and one of the things I hate about this ideology is the way that it divides people who otherwise have a lot of things in common. I assume that's a feature rather than a bug. But nobody's more important to me than my own integrity. Fortunately, DH, who also has a professional background that required a firm grasp of biology, is totally on board.