Do you talk about this stuff in your "real" life?

OP, I assume by 'real life' you mean in person rather than MN, Facebook etc.

If it comes up in conversation I'm happy to give my opinion which is that people can dress how they like (within reason) and I'll respect that but women's single sex spaces, sport etc should be protected. I'm more interested in what someone is like as a person.

If someone doesn't agree with me, them I'm happy to agree to disagree.

Despite knowing lots of people across many age groups I'm yet to meet anyone who actually believes TWAW. I only ever read about it here or see politicians make stupid comments but tbh politicians will say anything to get a vote so I take what they say with a pinch of salt.

I suspect I don't come across people who think TWAW is because they are in the minority (but shout the loudest).

Um, yourself. What we really don't want is for people to start accusing butch biological women of being men because they don't fit a paradigm.

On the contrary. I am a biological woman who has often been mistaken for a man when not conforming to gendered expectations. It is easy to confirm that a woman is female. I would much rather have to do so than put women at risk for fear of embarrassing an 'unfeminine' woman.

It's called Safeguarding.

I love that last bit of detail about the bowl and read it in the voice of Alan Bennett 😂

Bloody wicked as well, IMO.

Yes with most family and friends, no on social media, as I have a close relative who is trans and don't want to cause a shitstorm.

One of my DC is definitely GC, but at the other extreme one tends to adopt the political cool cause de jour (inevitably based on talking points off Twix, not actual knowledge).

Amongst friends, I've only had one acquaintance go a bit TWAW on me. One quite good friend who I thought would be TWAW turned out most refreshingly to be GC and well up on the debate.

I talk to everyone about it and post it on my Facebook. The boxing debacle has been really an interesting one in terms of engagement with what I'd call non feminist friends.

I'm protected under the law is my reason but I do work for a very "woke" US tech firm so it's probably just a matter of time.

I did talk to my parents about it last night in relation to the boxing. Painful. We got onto single sex spaces and my dad said, "but women sometimes go into the men's toilets at bars and things." Yes dad, but are the men in there in any danger at all from that? He admitted they weren't, then walked off and left his dirty bowl on the table. Which I ignored.

Yes regular disagreements with people I love both about me terfing and also sensitivity to young autistic girls rebelling against gender stereotypes they don't like.
It's hard.

Um, yourself. What we really don't want is for people to start accusing butch biological women of being men because they don't fit a paradigm.

Um, take a look yourself. It might actually be a problem more widespread than just 2... due to lack of testing anyone can rock up as a woman

Couldn’t agree more. They were wilfully stupid today.
And the person I mentioned - the semi famous feminist - is saying it’s all a Russian conspiracy. She’s fallen so far down the rabbit hole that I can’t ever see her getting out.

Yes, I do.
I've lost lots of friends over it but it still doesn't stop me from speaking.

We had a discussion about it at work today but I feel very uncomfortable about the whole thing now because of the conflation of issues. People have started to take the Khelif/Lin thing as an excuse to start saying that various other female boxers, including the Taiwanese boxer, are also "obviously men" because they're butch, which is hugely regressive and awful. The whole point of feminism is meant to be that there is no one way to be a woman.

@Notahandmaid I'd say that anyone who believes that Khelif and Lin are male, but should be in the women's boxing competition anyway, is not only captured but bloody stupid.

I do , but I'm very selective who with. OH, DD, some good friends and luckily even a few people at work that have similar views.

I work in a pretty high-profile workplace so was v scared to say anything, but I have spoken out at the staff day. Got some pushback from activist colleagues complaining to the manager, but thanks to the extremely courageous Maya Forstater I felt secure enough to stick to my guns. I also got some communication from supportive colleagues in other depts. Now trying to peak colleagues and my boss :) This issue and the 'no debate' stance is the absolute epitome of male entitlement and misogyny, and I can't believe people don't see it. I read Susan Faludi's 'Backlash' 20 years ago. Well, now the backlash is here, and I never pictured it being like this. V grateful for my equally GC husband and other supportive friends, but I completely understand why other women may not feel able to speak up. This is invidious and the ostracism is awful x

How funny-I was wondering this very question today. I am lucky in that I have lots of TERF friends so I can discuss it with them. I got into a long discussion on Facebook today with a friend who posted a nasty article about JKR. I tried not to comment but I bit and she came back with “TWAW” and “JKR is hateful”, to which I posted lots of info and links as to why that position is untenable. It was utterly pointless as she is captured and another of her friends joined in to tell me that she had a trans child and how disrespectful I was. I generally wouldn’t post on my own Facebook page though as it would alienate too many people but I do post about it a lot on my Twitter feed.
These two women today were rightly acknowledging that the boxing issue is not a trans issue but were still arguing for the right for men to punch women in the face (the poor oppressed men).
I am so sick of it that I couldn’t keep quiet. One of my friends is/was a very influential feminist whom I think most of you would have heard of. She is now firmly of the TWAW persuasion and has been standing up for the boxers. I find that such a betrayal and thought out of everyone I knew she would be first in line at the (metaphorical) protests to keep men out of women’s spaces. Instead she’s the opposite and I find it incredibly sad. I avoid the subject with her completely now.

At home and in friend groups yes, I’ve been talking about it for several years and am openly GC. 99% of my friends are on the same page. My previous job was the sort of place where the TRAs held sway, and pronouns were popping up with increasing frequency. They were all female, which was depressing to say the least. I left. I’m still friendly with my ex-colleagues but I don’t discuss this shit with them.

My new workplace doesn’t do pronouns and while we don’t talk about the issues much, I’m openly GC there too. It was a fucking relief to move there

Work (NHS) I'll talk about it if it is broached with me but not otherwise. I don't sign up to pronouns, new rainbow flag or recording gender identity on small children. Increasingly people know my views and after the BMA Cass vote (grrrr) a few people sought me out to explain what the issues are and they knew I would give an alternate view.

Social wise/ Family I try not to unless I know the person is an ally as I have close friends/ families who completely subscribe to TWAW and there have been rows in the past. My brother gets splinters in his arse from trying so hard to sit on the fence and not take sides.

Yes

Down my rowing club the 'fairness in sport' debate is unsurprisingly discussed fairly publicly and robustly. Dovetailed to that discussion is the safeguarding and welfare issues that invariably follow if you allow men into women's sports. Generally speaking anyone who actively competes in a sport sees straight away the utter absurdity of allowing transwomen to compete against biological women. Sadly there are still plenty of (mostly non sporting) people who still believe the nonsense that testosterone suppression/minimum levels negate any advantages and I am very quick to correct anyone espousing this view. There has been so much misinformation pumped into the public debate that I can almost forgive people for being not up to speed with the current debate. Where I get angry is when people concede there is an unfair advantage but women, for the sake of inclusion and 'being kind' should just accept the unfairness and higher risk to injury of competing against transwomen.

I talk to everyone I can about it, and to hell with their reactions. I encourage you all to do the same.

If someone doesn't share my GC views, they will hear all about them. I'm not shy or retiring about this - I'm bold and I know my stuff. Someone talks about their "transgender daughter", I correct them on the spot, and I never back down.

Reading this thread has made me weep. Some of you would really prefer your delusion a nice, quiet, frictionless life in a world where children are being systematically mutilated by doctors. This is pure cowardice. It's simple. You need to stand up and make yourself heard, in every aspect of your life. No battle is too small, no enemy is too big.

I do think one of the interesting elements of all this is how people who are into id pol seem to feel free to bring their politics, and IMO their religion, into work in such an overt way. And impose it on others.

There are few people I can openly talk about this subject with. My sister is very much GC, the only time we don't discuss is if the kids are around, they are quite young still. The rest of the family is also on the side of reality. It is one of the very few topics we could discuss at the dinner table at Christmas without an argument starting.
In my previous job I once said to my office manager that if they ever decided to add pronouns, I would not comply. His response was "Why would people put down their pronouns?".
In my new job the subject has crept up a few times,never brought up by me, but I was very much "neutral". It gave me a chance to try and suss out who is more GC inclined. A few colleagues seem to be of the "just be kind" faction, but were also shocked by the boxers.

I felt alone at home until DH, who had previously been inclined to roll eyes and mutter, 'Oh here she goes again,' suddenly turned to the (then) teens and said something like, 'Grow up! Don't bloody dare tell your mum she knows less about womanhood than your trans friends.'

DD has very strong GC views by now. (I can't take much credit. It's the behaviour of pissed, selfish, trans blokes at university that has changed her mind; that and a strong streak of common sense.)

DS has at least stopped shouting at us, despite his fondness for a rainbow flag and a good argument.

With friends, yes. Even those friends who are totally TWAW know that I disagree with them. One or two have said we'd best avoid the subject so as not to get into fights, which I can live with.

At work (public sector) I'm very cautious. Probably my approach has elements of quiet quitting - no pronouns in signature, no rainbow lanyard, and there are enough colleagues who do neither to be a critical mass where it's not noticed if you're not doing it. It helps that I get on really well with gay colleagues, including those active in the alphabet network, though quite likely they assume that if I say nothing then I agree with them.

If I have a hint that a colleague might be sympathetic - like they mention old-school feminist or socialist politics - I might talk about it carefully. I had a good conversation with a young woman who's a huge Harry Potter fan - even though she felt JKR should not have said The Bad Thing, she did acknowledge there's a legitimate issue.

It's a tricky one. I disapprove of the "bring your whole self to work" thing, but I also chafe against feeling that I have to stay silent while the other point of view can bang on and on about it, including in the staff newsletter. It makes me feel that "bring your whole self to work" has an unspoken annex of "no not you", and that shows you where power lies.