Co-owner of Reddux writes a timeline of the growing discussion around IBA truth and IOC truth

NoBinturongsHereMate · 04/08/2024 18:03

You can lead a TRA to data but you can't make them think.

Ah, excellent paraphrasing there, Bint!

IWant, why is Slatz claiming migrants are more prone to rape? I agree in some cultures sexual assault is condoned a lot, and this should be considered w immigration, but she is affiliated w the far right Rebel News, so I do wonder if she holds racist views. She is doing good work on the trans issue, but I doesn't mean we have to uncritically accept all of what she says ofc. I agree w Marie about the IBA, her judgement seems questionable on this.
I know when at uni she let a neo-Nazi write an op-ed for the college paper. I agree w interviewing him, but the op-ed was too much imo. I think she I reacting against superficial wokeness, & I agree w a lot of what she writes, but I think she sometimes takes it too far.

My only reservation about the Reduxx reporting is that they give the IBA too much respect e.g.
Claims of the IBA's "corruption" can basically be summarized to "Russia bad, Russians evil." The IBA has literally no history of bullshitting about the sex of boxers involved and it doesn't benefit them in any kind of way to do so.

There's no need for the quotation marks around the IBA's "corruption" - it's history of match-fixing and dodgy financial dealings were established by the McLean report, which was commission by the IBA itself, in an effort to turn a corner and reform itself - which it may or may not have succeeded in doing.

The IBA is sound on what a woman is, but it is dodgy in many other ways, admits it was corrupt, and it is pro-Russian and was rescued financially by Gazprom. It's a mistake to frame it as 'IBA good, IOC bad'.

The IBA's tests on Lin and Khelif may or may not have been entirely above-board, but people who are rightly suspicious of the IBA are always going to dismiss them as questionable 'therefore' we're all bullying that poor poor woman...

Even the most ardent critic of the IBA , however, has to at the very least admit that the tests cast doubt on Lin and Khelif's eligibility to box in the Olympics, and should have been repeated.

It's all a bit irrelevant now of course, as there's the infamous Le Point interview where one of Khelif's trainers openly admits that Khelif was horrified to learn, as a result of the IBA tests, that 'she might not be a girl'.. because there was a 'problem with her chromosomes'..

The IBA did something useful in testing Lin and Khelif, but they are not 'the good guys.'

Me too @IwantToRetire and @UtopiaPlanitia. I have to say when I first read the REDUXX story I wasn’t sure it’d be picked up in mainstream media and I was disappointed about that as I know how thorough REDUXX are but also how people might discount them, nir having heard of them. I’m so pleased the story has been picked up elsewhere and they’ve managed to expose this, it’s great work.

You're abso-fraggin-lutely correct about that! I started donating to them last year (took money I had been donating elsewhere and reallocated it to something female-led and female-orientated) and I'm so glad to be able to see them get greater recognition for their hard work in recent months.

Bloody hell! Call yourself a feminist? It's obviously her her.

I guess so, once you realise they’re starting from a place of not really caring about the fairness or safety of women’s sport.

Just to say how much we owe to reduxx - https://reduxx.info/ - for any number of illuminating stories.

Hear, hear. Or is it "Here, here." (let's not start on that one!)

@PepeParapluie

Strangely i can see their logic in using passports - it's simple, defined in law, and passes the buck to others. It means they know they ll be in trouble either way

Ouch!!

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You can lead a TRA to data but you can't make them think.

Of course to be useful, people need to read it. The truly entrenched won't sully their eyes with it, any more than they would with JKR's essay or original tweet.

Reduxx has been excellent on this, and very clear.

Unlike many of the main news outlets!

If you look on Facebook today, there are a lot of post supporting her, as her Dad has come out and said she was raised as a girl and is a women and should be treated as one. Its a shame if her DSD wasn't discovered until adulthood but it doesn't mean that she won't have gone through male pubity and have all the advantages of a male body from that point of view. Once they found out they should no longer be eligible to partake in women's sports.

This is exactly what we needed, full facts. Especially about the made up lie about Russian boxers and the IBA being the reason for the prior disqualification.

Can some one explain to me who is the writer of the piece, secondly who is Pagluachi the Hated. And what is AP, is it Associated Press?

I thought we just had to contend with TRA's but no such luck. We are having to contend with disinformation and obfuscation on a truly massive scale. Where did this idea that ignorance of the facts is their (IOC) truth and their truth is all that matters. Good links op

So much of the argument from the other side here has been the tiniest step away from "a Russian said it so it must be false". Pure xenophobia.

Brilliant thread, thanks for sharing.

Thank you for posting that, it was very clear.

Makes you wonder if someone at the IOC is taking backhanders tbh.

Excellent thread thank you @IwantToRetire

Yes its very useful, just link the article telling them it was written by theowner of the mag that broke the story, and walk away.
They can bluster all they want, but all they need is there.